Sox vs. Tigers 6/29/05 6:05 CST Gamethread

[Guest JimH]

I usually like buying a 30-pack of PBR from Jewel and drowning my sorrows in it until I pass out.

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There has to be a place in Oak Park that has it on tap, the Ale House on Oak Park Ave.? It is way better on tap, plus there is always extra curricular activity, especially if you have quickman along with to break the ice.

[quickman]

I usually like buying a 30-pack of PBR from Jewel and drowning my sorrows in it until I pass out.

 

 

damn your getting me excited

[Guest JimH]

damn your getting me excited

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You are a regular Lance Romance.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

BTW, was anything definate said about Hermy and an official start date of bereavement leave? I had the Tigers mlb.tv telecast, and SnR for play by play.

"That beer is toight! toight!"

f***ing Gweido.

 

 

Guido is a good buddy of mine and he can drink anyone under the table........BAR NONE.

[Milkman delivers]

I usually like buying a 30-pack of PBR from Jewel and drowning my sorrows in it until I pass out.

 

Oh man, PBR is nasty s***. I haven't drank in about 6 months, so I can't even imagine drinking that anymore.

[Jabroni]

There has to be a place in Oak Park that has it on tap, the Ale House on Oak Park Ave.?  It is way better on tap, plus there is always extra curricular activity, especially if you have quickman along with to break the ice.  

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Yep, you got it. The Oak Park Ale House. I live in Elmwood Park so I'm right near there.

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jabroni

[Capn12]

I'm thinking Guido was one of the guys I met in Chicago when I drove up from South Carolina for a KC weekend series in 2003. I know I met Killa, and I'm pretty sure Guido was with him. We went to some damn bar after the game, quite entertaining. I'm gonna have to plan another weekend series in August or so to come up.

[Soxfest]

Hurt needs to play every day period

Edited June 30, 2005 by Soxfest

[WilliamTell]

Hurt needs to play every day period

 

 

I think that, or at least 5 times a week. But I want him to get to 500 homers so the more he plays the quicker he can get there.

[YASNY]

Wow what an awesome confidence booster for Shingo.  Win and basically a save if they let you save your own wins.

 

Which is the exact reason Ozzie left him in there. All the screams for DH were from people that only think about today, not the long haul of a season.

[Jabroni]

Which is the exact reason Ozzie left him in there.  All the screams for DH were from people that only think about today, not the long haul of a season.

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Not putting in your closer with a 1-run lead and 3 outs needed is a VERY questionable move.

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jabroni

[qwerty]

Which is the exact reason Ozzie left him in there.  All the screams for DH were from people that only think about today, not the long haul of a season.

 

If hermanson cannot pitch more than three innings in 18 days i do not want him on the team.

[DBAHO]

If hermanson cannot pitch more than three innings in 18 days i do not want him on the team.

True, but let's look at the positives here. Getting Shingo to pitch more than 2 innings without giving up an ER is quite an achievement. Vizcaino too, even though he gave up 4H which ain't good.

[YASNY]

It's not about Hermanson, it's about trying to reestablish Shingo as a reliever Ozzie can have some faith in. Look, we have a 10 game lead now with a lot of games to play. If Ozzie waits till someone gets hurt and our lead is cut in half, then there is 10X the pressure on Shingo.

[DBAHO]

It's not about Hermanson, it's about trying to reestablish Shingo as a reliever Ozzie can have some faith in.  Look, we have a 10 game lead now with a lot of games to play.  If Ozzie waits till someone gets hurt and our lead is cut in half, then there is 10X the pressure on Shingo.

You get Shingo going again, and suddenly our bullpen looks a whole lot better. Definitely a key going into the 2nd half of the year and the playoffs, in case something does happen to the "Herminator".

[WilliamTell]

It's not about Hermanson, it's about trying to reestablish Shingo as a reliever Ozzie can have some faith in.  Look, we have a 10 game lead now with a lot of games to play.  If Ozzie waits till someone gets hurt and our lead is cut in half, then there is 10X the pressure on Shingo.

 

 

If this outing doesn't give Shingo confidence I don't know what does. I thought the Tigers were going to win after I saw Shingo go out for the 13th, but he proved me wrong and it was just great to see him get the win tonight.

[YASNY]

You get Shingo going again, and suddenly our bullpen looks a whole lot better. Definitely a key going into the 2nd half of the year and the playoffs, in case something does happen to the "Herminator".

 

That's what I've been trying to say. It's about getting things lined up for the stretch run. Low risk (today's game) vs. high reward (solid pen the rest of the way).

[Jabroni]

True, but let's look at the positives here. Getting Shingo to pitch more than 2 innings without giving up an ER is quite an achievement. Vizcaino too, even though he gave up 4H which ain't good.

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So we should risk losing a game to see if Shingo can get another scoreless inning? There's a reason teams have closers. Last night was a save situation and that's what your closer is for.

[Jabroni]

That's what I've been trying to say.  It's about getting things lined up for the stretch run.  Low risk (today's game) vs.  high reward (solid pen the rest of the way).

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Why is a game in which we hold only a 1-run lead and that we can gain another game in the standings on Minnesota, Cleveland, AND Detroit if we win considered a "low risk" game?

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jabroni

[Jordan4life_2007]

So we should risk losing a game to see if Shingo can get another scoreless inning?  There's a reason teams have closers.  Last night was a save situation and that's what your closer is for.

 

 

Jabroni. You gotta look at the big picture. We're not getting anywhere with a 4 man pen. The worst thing that could've happened tonight is we lose and are still up 9 games. I totally support Ozzie sending Shingo out there for the 13th. Even if he had blown it. We're gonna need him. No doubt about it.

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jordan4life_2005

[Jabroni]

Jabroni.  You gotta look at the big picture.  We're not getting anywhere with a 4 man pen.  The worst thing that could've happened tonight is we lose and are still up 9 games.  I totally support Ozzie sending Shingo out there.  Even if he had blown it.  We're gonna need him.  No doubt about it.

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You use your closer in save situations. Shingo came close to blowing it. At least if you have your closer Hermanson in there, you can't second guess the move.

[Jordan4life_2007]

You use your closer in save situations.  Shingo came close to blowing it.  At least if you have your closer Hermanson in there, you can't second guess the move.

 

He did come close to blowing it. But he came through when it mattered. You don't think that does anything for Shingo's confidence? As I said, even if we lose tonight, we're still up 9 games. I totally understand what Ozzie was doing. I don't see why you don't?

[Jabroni]

He did come close to blowing it.  But he came through when it mattered.  You don't think that does anything for Shingo's confidence?  As I said,  even if we lose tonight,  we're still up 9 games.  I totally understand what Ozzie was doing.  I don't see why you don't?

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I don't see why you don't think there's a big difference between being 10 games up on the Twins and only 9. We should just go with our 2nd worst bullpen option instead of our closer because another game tacked onto our lead over the Twins doesn't matter much?

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jabroni

[YASNY]

It was low risk for the following reasons:

 

1. We had, at that moment a 9.5 game lead.

2. We did have a lead in the game.

3. Even if Shingo gives up a run, we can still win the game.

 

All of these add up to "low risk" vs the relative "high reward" we get from having a bullpen with several confidant pitchers.

 

Also, I don't think Ozzie gives a rat's ass about second guessers, and he shouldn't. He's the man in charge and should do things his way until KW or JR decide otherwise.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I don't see why you don't think there's a big difference between being 10 games up on the Twins and only 9.  We should just go with our 2nd worst bullpen option instead of our closer because another game tacked onto our lead over the Twins doesn't matter much?  

 

 

Maybe i'm wrong. But i'm lookin ahead to August, September, and hopefully October. Do you really think we're gonna do anything with just Pollite, Cotts, Marte, and Hermanson? And who's to say Pollite, Cotts, and Hermanson don't come back to earth a little? I pray and hope they keep pitching lights out. But, to be a championship team, we need Shingo and Vizcaino. We need those guys in pressure situations. And tonight was a pressure situation. And I don't think there's a big difference between being up 10 games compared to 9.

Edited June 30, 2005 by Jordan4life_2005