The Young and the Restless

[farmteam]

For whoever asked (I think it was Heads), Young was drafted in 2001 out of High School, which would make him about 22 right now.

[Rex Hudler]

For whoever asked (I think it was Heads), Young was drafted in 2001 out of High School, which would make him about 22 right now.

 

He turns 22 just after the season is over. Born in September 1983. Sweeney was born in February 1985.

[farmteam]

Yeah, I knew Sweeney was only 20, and Young was somewhere around 21-22...thanks for clearing that up.

[danman31]

Scouts that watch him play, see this and know this.  I guarantee you that Sweeney's stock has much less to do with numbers at this point than what the eyes can see.

I'm not saying his stock is low by any means. I'm just saying it's as low as it's been. He was called a god last ST for crying out loud. I should say that it doesn't sound like we are disagreeing on anything of significance. Same general feeling, slightly different view of how it will happen.

[BHAMBARONS]

Yes, I know. I was also the one wondering about the obsession. I know batting average isn't the be-all and end-all, but his still worries me. Does he go to the opposite field much? I wonder if BHAM could help with that...

 

 

 

Yes he can hit to RF with authority he did that yesterday, I would like to see him do it a little more if he does I think the AVG will raise from the .260 range to .290 range.

[CWSGuy406]

Yes he can hit to RF with authority he did that yesterday, I would like to see him do it a little more if he does I think the AVG will raise from the .260 range to .290 range.

 

If he does that, though, he's also likely to hit for less x-tra base hits.

 

I agree with Jason, sort of on the Andruw Jones comparison. Check out this link from Sabernomics.com, scroll down, and look at the second hitting chart. Most of his hits at Turner Field have been in LF, with none going to RF. A few to RC, but none to straight RF. If Young increasing his BA .015 points just to get a few more singles, but lowers his SLG%, I'm not quite sure that it's worth it...

 

I'd also like to say, Young has become one of my favorite prospects -- and if, in some way, we do make a deal with Oakland, either he or Anderson will be gone. They need a good CF prospect...

[BHAMBARONS]

If he does that, though, he's also likely to hit for less x-tra base hits.

 

Normally I would certainly agree with you, but Young has tremendous power to all fields that I am not sure his XBH total would decline that much

[BlackBetsy]

You know I just recalled that Young was making the jump from Kannapolis to Birmingham this year rather than from W-S.

 

At 21, he's young for the Southern League (which, IMHO, is the best "prospect" league out there) and his consistent IMPROVEMENT over the course of the season - recall danman's month-by-month HR, BB and K numbers - is extremely impressive.

 

The guy he probably reminds me most of in terms of hitting skills is Mike Cameron. He might have more power than Cameron, though.

 

For comparison, here is Cameron's season at B'Ham in 1995 (at the age of 22):

 

350 AB, 20 2B, 5 3B, 11 HR, .249/.353/.429

 

By his 23 year old repeat season at Birmingham, Cameron figured things out to the tune of:

 

473 AB, 34 2B, 12 3B, 28 HR, .300/.395/.600

 

I've heard Young can handle the territory in CF...but does he have a chance at being 90% of the defensive CF Cameron is? Cameron is, with Torii Hunter, and a younger Junior Griffey, one of the best defensive CF in the last 20 years.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Braves Uber-prospect Jeff Francoeur was called up from the Mississippi Braves of the Southern League...

 

             AB   R    H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB  SO  SB    BA   OBP   SLG 

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Francoeur   335  40   92  28  2  13  62  21  76  13  .275  .322  .487

Young       314  60   81  30  0  18  48  42  89  15  .258  .352  .525

[BlackBetsy]

Braves Uber-prospect Jeff Francoeur was called up from the Mississippi Braves of the Southern League...

 

             AB   R    H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB  SO  SB    BA   OBP   SLG 

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Francoeur   335  40   92  28  2  13  62  21  76  13  .275  .322  .487

Young       314  60   81  30  0  18  48  42  89  15  .258  .352  .525

That's a nice comparison, da Chort. Francoeur performed like Young last year, too, only he did it in the Carolina League instead of the Sally League.

 

I think there will be much more press on Young at the end of the year when the stat-based minor league analysis community looks over the season.

 

I'm impressed by Young and getting more impressed. What we need to see from him more than anything is progress - i.e., getting better month by month as he goes through the minors.

 

I think Chris might be due for a long look at ST 2006. Given Rowand's status, he might be a great possibility to be the starting CF in 2007 if (1) Anderson isn't around; or (2) Anderson can handle a corner OF position offensively.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Francoeur just HRed in the Cubs game to put the Cubs away for good.

[Randar68]

That's a nice comparison, da Chort.  Francoeur performed like Young last year, too, only he did it in the Carolina League instead of the Sally League.

 

I think there will be much more press on Young at the end of the year when the stat-based minor league analysis community looks over the season.

 

I'm impressed by Young and getting more impressed.  What we need to see from him more than anything is progress - i.e., getting better month by month as he goes through the minors.

 

I think Chris might be due for a long look at ST 2006.  Given Rowand's status, he might be a great possibility to be the starting CF in 2007 if (1) Anderson isn't around; or (2) Anderson can handle a corner OF position offensively.

 

Ideally you'd be able to have Anderson in CF, Young in LF, and someone else with an arm in RF.

 

Any outfield consisting of Young and Podsednik would be run on until the cows came home...

[danman31]

Young, Gio, Liotta highlighted in BA's Prospect Pulse

 

Everybody seems to be glowing about Young right now. What do you guys think his assignment will be next year? Is there any chance he could make the big league club out of camp or will he be playing CF for the Knights next year?

[Randar68]

Young, Gio, Liotta highlighted in BA's Prospect Pulse

 

Everybody seems to be glowing about Young right now. What do you guys think his assignment will be next year? Is there any chance he could make the big league club out of camp or will he be playing CF for the Knights next year?

 

Too early to say, IMO. With the picture in Chicago and him having just skipped High-A, unless he pulls the average up to around .300 at season's end, I might start him back in AA and see what happens from there.

 

He'll be in the big-league spring camp next year, no doubt...

[MurcieOne]

This guy kinda reminds me of Anthony Webster just with power.... am i really far off?

[Gene Honda Civic]

This guy kinda reminds me of Anthony Webster just with power.... am i really far off?

Webster is .272/.313/.438 at High-A compared to Young's .261/.357/.528 at AA. Webster is also older than Young.

[RockRaines]

Want to know where Young is going to end up next year? In someone else's minor league system. His fast rise points to someone wanting him in one of these deadline deals. I dont see us keeping all three of the AA OF'ers after the trade deadline.

[Randar68]

Want to know where Young is going to end up next year?  In someone else's minor league system.  His fast rise points to someone wanting him in one of these deadline deals.  I dont see us keeping all three of the AA OF'ers after the trade deadline.

 

These kinds of posts are so utterly ridiculous it's not worth posting.

 

Are some guys gonna get traded? In the long run, sure. But why do some people have to get so b****y and whiney and chicken-little-esque about prospect A or B eventually getting traded basically saying we shouldn't bother to follow them?

 

Guess what, Rock, some day, you're going to die. Does that mean you shouldn't bother living? Seriously... stick a sock in it if that's all you have to contribute.

 

Edited July 11, 2005 by Randar68

[BlackBetsy]

To me, Jerry Owens is the guy most likely to be traded. The organization doesn't have too much of a commitment to him (they got him for free by trading Alex Escobar, who they got off of waivers) and he has a nice batting average that might attract clubs. If they throw a AA outfielder into the mix, it'll be Owens.

 

Query whether Rogowski won't be a throw in. You never hear the excited statements out of Sox brass about Rogo that you do about the other top prospects, although Hawk likes him IIRC.

 

But I'm not even sure that the Sox will make a big deal as in years past. Ozzie is too sold on Crede's defense (and I admit, I like Crede defensively) to trade for a third baseman.

 

A SS is a possibility if Harris is sent down, so I might see Vizquel (who, in the first year of a multi-year deal, would have the right to veto any trade). If the Giants trade Vizquel, they could pretty much use help from any of the Sox's minor leagues. I could see them taking a package like Valido, Bajenaru and Owens for Vizquel.

[Randar68]

  I could see them taking a package like Valido, Bajenaru and Owens for Vizquel.

 

They'd be absolutely insane not to. With the contract he has at the age he is at, the only way they get that much is to pay the rest of his deal IMO.

 

That said, I'd be irate with this deal from a Sox-fan perspective. Valido is by far the best SS prospect in the system and Vizquel is practically old enough to challenge Carl's assertion that dinosaurs didn't exist with a first-hand account....

[Chisoxfn]

They'd be absolutely insane not to.  With the contract he has at the age he is at, the only way they get that much is to pay the rest of his deal IMO.

 

That said, I'd be irate with this deal from a Sox-fan perspective.  Valido is by far the best SS prospect in the system and Vizquel is practically old enough to challenge Carl's assertion that dinosaurs didn't exist with a first-hand account....

I could see giving up Lopez or Gonzalez in the package but not Valido. I could also see Baj to go along with it. A Lopez/Gonzo plus Baj for Omar deal would make some sense. Of course this would also mean Willie Harris is at least potential trade bait or in the minors with Uribe filling in at 3rd, 2nd, and SS and getting quite a bit of ab's and Ozuna filling in an everything type of guy who will likely be used sparingly (although he would be a solid pinch runner).

[Rex Hudler]

Count me amongst those that think a trade for Vizquel would be good for the big club. Of course, I want it to include Jason Schmidt as well.

 

I also agree that Valido should not be included in such a deal, but would have no problem seeing Lopez or Gonzalez in the miz.

[Guest JimH]

Count me amongst those that think a trade for Vizquel would be good for the big club.  Of course, I want it to include Jason Schmidt as well. 

 

I also agree that Valido should not be included in such a deal, but would have no problem seeing Lopez or Gonzalez in the miz.

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Do the Giants have a hot SS prospect - anyone on the 3 year radar? Personally I think both Lopez and Gonzalez have practically zero trade value. Valido on the other hand ...