ChWRoCk2 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 05:43 PM) I think some of you really need to read this.... IT'S NOT 2003. Schmidt is one of the worst pitchers in the NL in a pitchers park this year. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU EXPECT HIM TO COME TO THE CELL AND DO BETTER. I realize his name is all shiny and stuff BUT HE'S NO LONGER AN ACE. EVEN IF WE GOT HIM (WHICH WOULD BE IN NO WAY WORTH ANYTHING OF QUALITY) HE WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE PLAY OFF ROSTER BECAUSE HE'S JUST NOT THAT GOOD! Ok...Rant over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 04:49 PM) Mr consistent has a .724 ops as a whole and has hit .250 verse rightie with a .675 ops. His defense may be consistent but his offense? It sucks. I know, i know... he is clutch. Just curious, can you compare that to other centerfielders in the al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) Just curious, can you compare that to other centerfielders in the al? Rowand is 9th in OPS for all AL CF's. Only Finley, Reed and Logan have a lower OPS. Hunter and Damon are tied for 1st with a .845 OPS, Grady Sizemore already has a .805 OPS. Oh, Rowand has a 60/16 K/BB ratio BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 You know what Qwerty I totally agree with ya... but you cannot honestly tell me that would justify ruining team chemistry and taking on that monster contract for a huge DL risk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I'll put it this way, there's a chance to acquire Vernon Wells, in a deal that Rowand must be included in. Would you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) Rowand is 9th in OPS for all AL CF's. Only Finley, Reed and Logan have a lower OPS. Hunter and Damon are tied for 1st with a .845 OPS, Grady Sizemore already has a .805 OPS. Oh, Rowand has a 60/16 K/BB ratio BTW. Gracias. I honestly didn't know where he compared to all the other centerfielders. I believe last year he led all al cf's in ops, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) I think some of you really need to read this.... IT'S NOT 2003. Schmidt is one of the worst pitchers in the NL in a pitchers park this year. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU EXPECT HIM TO COME TO THE CELL AND DO BETTER. I realize his name is all shiny and stuff BUT HE'S NO LONGER AN ACE. EVEN IF WE GOT HIM (WHICH WOULD BE IN NO WAY WORTH ANYTHING OF QUALITY) HE WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE PLAY OFF ROSTER BECAUSE HE'S JUST NOT THAT GOOD! Ok...Rant over.... Hey, in case you missed it, Schmidt had a pretty good year last year too. 18-7, 225 innings, 165 hits, 3.2 ERA. Then he started the year with a 2-1 record and 3.41 ERA in April. In May he went on the DL after his second start and hasn't fully returned to form since that stint, though he did post back-to-back 8 inning outings where he surrended no runs. Give me that over "Jose the head case" or "bad shoulder El Duque" every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Hey, in case you missed it, Schmidt had a pretty good year last year too. 18-7, 225 innings, 165 hits, 3.2 ERA. Then he started the year with a 2-1 record and 3.41 ERA in April. In May he went on the DL after his second start and hasn't fully returned to form since that stint, though he did post back-to-back 8 inning outings where he surrended no runs. Give me that over "Jose the head case" or "bad shoulder El Duque" every time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Look at his road record and career numbers outside of the Giants... The fact he's really only had any kind of success with one team should be a huge red flag. Like I said before I wouldn't hesitate to get him if all it took was low level prospects or a couple of busts. But seeing people who want to give up the farm for him really starts to piss me off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Ohh and they would also have to pay almost his entire salary and his buy out to even make the deal fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I think some of you also need to realize whether we like it or not this is a cash strapped team. Why on earth would we need Griffey or Wells for big money when Rowand will do a decent job the next few years for a very reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 09:07 AM) I think some of you also need to realize whether we like it or not this is a cash strapped team. Why on earth would we need Griffey or Wells for big money when Rowand will do a decent job the next few years for a very reasonable price. Wells is making just over $3,000,000 this season, hardly big money like Mr. Griffey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) Wells is making just over $3,000,000 this season, hardly big money like Mr. Griffey. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well if i'm not mistaken he'll be a free agent sooner though right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Plus it's not worth the difference in the talent we would have to give up to get him... No way they give him up for just Rowand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:22 PM) Plus it's not worth the difference in the talent we would have to give up to get him... No way they give him up for just Rowand... Dude, Rowand's not going anywhere...Relaaaax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) I know, i know... he is clutch. Kind of. His batting average with the bags loaded is no good. And 9 out of 18 scoring a man on 3rd with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) Kind of. His batting average with the bags loaded is no good. And 9 out of 18 scoring a man on 3rd with <2 outs is not great either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was being sarcastic... but thats beside the point... he's a late starter/second half performer anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) Well if i'm not mistaken he'll be a free agent sooner though right? No, his contract runs thorugh to 2007, the same length as Aaron's; Vernon Wells: 5-Year worth 14.7M- will make in 2003- 450K + 850K signing bonus, in 2004- 700K, in 2005- 2.9M, in 2006- 4.3M and in 2007- 5.6M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Ohh wow... I stand corrected... Well I still don't see the point in giving up the extra talent for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) Ohh wow... I stand corrected... Well I still don't see the point in giving up the extra talent for him... If you could get Wells for Rowand and Tracey would you do it? Wells is faster and hits for more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) He was being sarcastic... but thats beside the point... he's a late starter/second half performer anyway... He may have been half sarcastic because I think he actually leads the team in BA w/ RISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) If you could get Wells for Rowand and Tracey would you do it? Wells is faster and hits for more power. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's not that much better then Rowand... I say showing loyalty to him does more for team image in the long run... Edited July 7, 2005 by Jeckle2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) If you could get Wells for Rowand and Tracey would you do it? Wells is faster and hits for more power. as much as i would want to have him i just couldnt part with rowand or any of our outfieldersm because i think we have one of the best outfield groups in the game IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) He's not that much better then Rowand... I say showing loyalty to him does more for team image in the long run... Rowand is more of a hard-nosed player, Wells seems a to be more of a slacker (at least that's what they make him out to be after BBTN grilled him for not getting the ball in quick enough on a single by Tejada, he sort of non-chalantly picked up the ball as Tejada went for 2nd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) Mr consistent has a .724 ops as a whole and has hit .250 verse rightie with a .675 ops. His defense may be consistent but his offense? It sucks. I know, i know... he is clutch. Wow.....qwerty. I LUUUUUUUUUUUUV that avatar! I'm in the same boat as you. That get's my vote for Avy of the Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Rowand is more of a hard-nosed player, Wells seems a to be more of a slacker (at least that's what they make him out to be after BBTN grilled him for not getting the ball in quick enough on a single by Tejada, he sort of non-chalantly picked up the ball as Tejada went for 2nd). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats the other thing about Rowand that people don't take into consideration... I don't think people realize or think about how much his work ethic and hard nosed attitude plays into the success of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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