RockRaines Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) not even close. how so? Walks, inconsistency, about to be a high dollar player. And Aj will command more money that JC in his new deal, especially going into FA'cy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 The suspense is killing me.....25 more days.....who knows what is gonna happen there are too many teams still choosing to be buyers or sellers right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 White Sox | Griffey in Sight? Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:31:05 -0700 The Daily Southtown's Paul Ladewski reports the Chicago White Sox could make a push for Cincinnati Reds OF Ken Griffey Jr. http://www.kffl.com/team/47/MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 No. Too big of a risk. There's risk, then there's Griffey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(DABearSoX @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) The suspense is killing me.....25 more days.....who knows what is gonna happen there are too many teams still choosing to be buyers or sellers right now 24 more days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 What happened to the All-Encompassing trade thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) how so? Walks, inconsistency, about to be a high dollar player. And Aj will command more money that JC in his new deal, especially going into FA'cy Rock, From what I read on here, you usually know your s***, but AJ had a 87% quality start ratio going into July (Quality starts in 14 out of 16 starts). He's damn good, an no, I'm not delusional enough to buy into ANY AND ALL trade talk discussed on here, but I'd like him on my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 HELL f***IN NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 2 main factors here. 1) Do they want to pick up part of the contract? 2) Are they willing to take basically no-name prospects? If the answers to both of these questions are not yes, then no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Burnett has been alright in the national league. League average era since he came into the league is 4.16 and he posted a 3.83 era in that time span. In otherwords an era+ of only 109. If a slightly above average pitcher like burnett is gonna command 10-12 million dollars a year i do not want him. This year he has pitched very good but it's no shock to me that it's in his contract year. How many of you feel comfortable with handing out 10-12 million a year for a guy that is on the dl once if not two or three times every year? I don't know why people are getting all over rocks omparison. Both contreras and burnett hold hitters to a low baa but issue ALOT of walks. Burnett was the guy who walked nine guys in a complete game no hitter if you do not remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Rock, From what I read on here, you usually know your s***, but AJ had a 87% quality start ratio going into July (Quality starts in 14 out of 16 starts). He's damn good, an no, I'm not delusional enough to buy into ANY AND ALL trade talk discussed on here, but I'd like him on my team. Im just saying, is he really that drastic of an improvement. Factor in that he is in the NL and is in a pitchers park. Not to mention he has had the luxury of having great defense behind him. He is going to be more expensive than any arm on our team, is he really worth that price? I dont think so, plus I dont think he have the players that FLA wants. I see him going to Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I forgot to mention this: One of the reason that we all love MB and Garland this year, is that they throw balls in the strike zone and dont walk alot of people. They are efficient and play towards the weakness of playing in Coors east. With a player who walks alot of people, especially in our park, we risk giving up alot of 2-3 run bombs. Not to mention that walking a ton of people put you in the JC category of frustrating the team by not letting them pick up the pitchers. Im not saying he is not lights out, but I see him as being just a bit better than JC if he came to the AL, in our park, and more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 What about AJ Burnett = Carl Pavano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotop Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I for one am very leery about trading for Burnett. However, my reasons have nothing to do with his performance...performance wise the kid is a stud. But there have been a few things I've heard/observed about him that strike me the wrong way. 1) For a guy with a history of arm trouble...he sure as hell throws a lot of pitches. Last night being the prime example. I know strikeouts are sexy and all but he basically is giving a big F YOU to Florida's policy of pitch for contact (early in the count). 2) I know I shouldn't always believe what I hear when it comes to being a "cancer" (prime example: AJ Pierzynski) but there has been plenty of talk about burnett and his attitude. I don;'t know how much sock to put in it, but when there's smoke there's usually fire. 3) Why the HELL would Florida want to deal him. Beckett's on the DL, they're in the hunt, so why in the world are they so hell bent on shipping this guy off? From what I've heard, he wants to hit the market this off-season, no matter what. What I really fear is this guy wants to be a Yankee, and by golly they could sure use him. Either way, for how good this guy is there has to be something seriously up if Florida wants to deal him this badly. It just doesn't add up. I don't know what it is, call it a sixth sense, call it ESP, call it stupidity but I just don't feel right about Burnett (and this isn't about Schmidt, because I feel the same way about him). Things just don't seem to be adding up, but with the season we're having I'd have to say any risk to put us over the top may be the correct risk to take....even if they don't feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) What about AJ Burnett = Carl Pavano? Carl Pavano=overpaid on the DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) Carl Pavano=overpaid on the DL true, burnett is far better, when healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 It's funny, people on these boards think that the big names are what's going to help us. And maybe they will. Maybe a Schmidt or Burnett will help. But, we have to think of who will help this team. Do we need another starter? Yes, as insurance, but I don't think we necessarily need a #1 or #2. Do we need a LH reliever? Yes, but not necessarily the name everyone is talking about. Villone would be a good pickup as would Scott Eyre, which someone mentioned in another thread. We need a lefty to get lefties out. Not a reputation...unless that reputation can get lefties out. Podsednik isn't a big name, but he filled a need. So did Iguchi, Dye, AJ, Everett and Politte. None of them are big names. So, instead of making the huge splash TWICE, maybe a huge splash and a small splash is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:59 PM) 124 in 6 innings? Yikes. Well, that's the thing with strike out pitchers, I guess. They throw a lot of pitches. If you look at Burnett's game logs for this year, he is basically a 6 inning pitcher (by then he's usually above 100 pitches), and in all but one game he gave up at least 2 runs. I would love to have him in our postseason rotation, but I would go back to what I said a week ago in the omnibus trade thread. To lock up another starter for next year, the Sox have to unload Jose Contreras and his $8 million contract or it will screw up our salary structure. If Florida might take him because he's signed for next year while Burnett is not, then we ought to be able to make the deal with fewer prospects, and can press Burnett's agent about whether he'll sign for 3 more years. If Florida won't take Contreras, then I remain on the fence about this deal because I don't know what the real price would be, and I remain skeptical that Burnett will re-sign with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 anything that comes from the tabloid southtown is crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObamaKnowsBest Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I think Marte is highly overrated. HE cannot through strikes. Too wild. HE has great stuff. I'd take a great starter over a"good" reliever any day.!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 we cant afford to re-sign AJ, thats it, bottom line. He will get a deal worth more than Contreras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 White Sox | Griffey in Sight? Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:31:05 -0700 The Daily Southtown's Paul Ladewski reports the Chicago White Sox could make a push for Cincinnati Reds OF Ken Griffey Jr. http://www.kffl.com/team/47/MLB <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is exactly the problem with believing a lot (most) of what the media says. I read the Ladewski column this morning, it was total speculation on Paul Ladewski's part re: Ken Griffey Jr. Sure enough though, some other media outlet picks it up and it's painted as if the White Sox are interested in Griffey. Then of course what happens is this board goes all overboard about it. We should re-read Ladewski's column. There are no quotes, no sources named or even alluded to. It is entirely his speculation. The same is true with any conversation re: Glendon Rusch. Dan McNeil was speculating yesterday that Rusch would look good in a Sox uni and brought it up to Levine. Right after that, there was speculation the White Sox were interested in Rusch. I know we are desperate for trade info and rumors here, but let's try to separate some columnist speculating vs. some of the more specific info that's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 06:42 AM) we cant afford to re-sign AJ, thats it, bottom line. He will get a deal worth more than Contreras. Payroll will increase by 10 to 15 million next season though, maybe even more, depending on attendance and how far the Sox go in the playoffs. With Konerko, Thomas and Everett's contract's coming off the books, that's over $20 million in payroll right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(peanut33tillman @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) benito santiago i believe but not 100% sure... I thought their catcher was Yorvit Torrealba after Santiago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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