hi8is Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 ok, lets take a look at schmidt this way: he does have a bad ERA he is comming out of an injurt his velocity is down he did just have a very bad start he is owed 10.5 million with a 3.5 million buy out now, how many teams are going to trade for him... im sure a few want to how many teams will give up what the giants are asking for? none i think we might be able to get schmidt without having to give up contreras... i think that is a very big possibility... we might even be able to get him without giving up contreras or bmac his trade value is pretty low right now and we might be able to cash in on that if the giants keep losing.... their GM isnt the brightest penny in the bank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Umm.. no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 im all for schmidsts, hes an ace and he is just having troubles in the aftermath of his injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) ok, lets take a look at schmidt this way: he does have a bad ERA he is comming out of an injurt his velocity is down he did just have a very bad start he is owed 10.5 million with a 3.5 million buy out now, how many teams are going to trade for him... im sure a few want to how many teams will give up what the giants are asking for? none i think we might be able to get schmidt without having to give up contreras... i think that is a very big possibility... we might even be able to get him without giving up contreras or bmac his trade value is pretty low right now and we might be able to cash in on that if the giants keep losing.... their GM isnt the brightest penny in the bank Will have to give up a pitcher. No doubt about that. More than likely B-mac. I'm just hopin El Duque is at or close to 100%. If so, we don't need another starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 I like your reasoning, but you will find on here that many people severly overestimate what it would take to get a different player. I remember talk about Hudson. People going crazy, saying it woul dtake Bmac, Garland and 1 or 2 more players. Look what Oakland actually got for him. Not much. Even the recent thread about Chavez had us giving up the moon. It is probably a deep rooted complex because of the Todd Ritchie deal. Although after a few years, neither side seems to have had much success in that deal. However, on a different note, I don't want him, unless the price is nothing more than 2 mid-level prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 06:55 PM) I like your reasoning, but you will find on here that many people severly overestimate what it would take to get a different player. I remember talk about Hudson. People going crazy, saying it woul dtake Bmac, Garland and 1 or 2 more players. Look what Oakland actually got for him. Not much. Even the recent thread about Chavez had us giving up the moon. It is probably a deep rooted complex because of the Todd Ritchie deal. Although after a few years, neither side seems to have had much success in that deal. However, on a different note, I don't want him, unless the price is nothing more than 2 mid-level prospects. The A's simply couldn't afford Hudson. It was in their best interest to get something for him or lose him and get nothing. Different situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 12:57 AM) The A's simply couldn't afford Hudson. It was in their best interest to get something for him or lose him and get nothing. Different situation. You are correct for the reason the A's let him go. However, people on here thought it would take a package of 4 or more players to GET Hudson, when in fact, it was 2 mid level prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) You are correct for the reason the A's let him go. However, people on here thought it would take a package of 4 or more players to GET Hudson, when in fact, it was 2 mid level prospects. Well I heard that KW offered Carlos Lee and I think BMac for him and BB said no. So it would've taken alot. Maybe Steff could confirm this, but I remember KW inquiring about him and Mulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) Well I heard that KW offered Carlos Lee and I think BMac for him and BB said no. So it would've taken alot. Maybe Steff could confirm this, but I remember KW inquiring about him and Mulder. Carlos lee and mccarthy ( after the season he had) >>> charles thomas, juan cruz, and dan meyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:15 AM) Well I heard that KW offered Carlos Lee and I think BMac for him and BB said no. So it would've taken alot. Maybe Steff could confirm this, but I remember KW inquiring about him and Mulder. Well, Bean would have tried to screw the Sox in any trade. I meant more in general. Hudson was traded for less than Lee and Bmac. And Schmidt, if wanted, could be had for less than alot of people think. Unless the Yankmees decide that they want another pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) Well I heard that KW offered Carlos Lee and I think BMac for him and BB said no. So it would've taken alot. Maybe Steff could confirm this, but I remember KW inquiring about him and Mulder. Didn't Beane pretty much say that he wasn't trading Hudson or Mulder to any AL team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) Didn't Beane pretty much say that he wasn't trading Hudson or Mulder to any AL team? I remember him specifically turning down BMac and I don't think it had anything to do with the White Sox being an NL team. Wasn't there also a rumor in which the White Sox traded Carlos Lee for Barry Zito in a waiver wire deal, but the A's then declined?? All I know is Beane didn't want either of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Schmidt > Contreras, El Duque, BMac DO IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 (edited) Beane got a solid pitching prospect, a guy who was a good reliever the season before and an OF that had good numbers as a part time player, all of them young. He wasn't going to do a whole lot better. Also remember that Garland had less value at the time, and I never really remember him being mentioned (thought he was dealt before we got a chance to argue about it). Plus that was an offseason deal, meaning there is a little bit less action and less competition between teams vying for that player. In this case, the Giants are looking for guys that will be able to contribute next year, meaning I doubt we'd be able to get him without giving up Contreras or B-Mac. Edited July 5, 2005 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Carlos lee and mccarthy ( after the season he had) >>> charles thomas, juan cruz, and dan meyer. Carlos Lee > Hudson financially No doubt whatsoever that the talent in the White Sox package would have been enough to get Hudson. Hell, it would have been enough to get Hudson and then either a reliever or a decent prospect too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 5.1 isnt a bad era?? I guess I should stop dreaming.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:41 PM) Schmidt > Contreras, El Duque, BMac DO IT! This season; Schmidt - BAA - .275, AWAY - 5.88 ERA, 26 K's, 19 BB's, .311 BAA Contreras - BAA - .225, HOME (used because US Cell is a hitters park unlike SBC) - 4.50 ERA, 38 K's, 23 BB's, .243 BAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 02:14 AM) This season; Schmidt - BAA - .275, AWAY - 5.88 ERA, 26 K's, 19 BB's, .311 BAA Contreras - BAA - .225, HOME (used because US Cell is a hitters park unlike SBC) - 4.50 ERA, 38 K's, 23 BB's, .243 BAA. And BMac and Duque make much less than him too. That has to be taken into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) And BMac and Duque make much less than him too. That has to be taken into consideration. See I don't get all of this Schmidt is an "ACE" talk. Sure he WAS an ace over the past few seasons, but he has really sucked this season, plus he'll be moving from SBC park, where his splits are better, to US Cellular Field, and look what that has done to pitchers like Brandon McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:22 AM) And BMac and Duque make much less than him too. That has to be taken into consideration. We have money to spend this year and most likely starting pitcher will be the place upgraded if anything is upgraded, money shouldn't be an issue at all here. If Schmidt returns to ace form you pick up his option, if not you buy him out for 3-3.5 mill. I guarantee you the money isn't a problem here it's just who we'd have to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:24 AM) See I don't get all of this Schmidt is an "ACE" talk. Sure he WAS an ace over the past few seasons, but he has really sucked this season, plus he'll be moving from SBC park, where his splits are better, to US Cellular Field, and look what that has done to pitchers like Brandon McCarthy. Bmac is a bad example because he was struggling in aaa. While the park is obviously a homerun haven, Freddy did exactly what Schmidt would have to do and he's doing just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) Bmac is a bad example because he was struggling in aaa. While the park is obviously a homerun haven, Freddy did exactly what Schmidt would have to do and he's doing just fine. But the thing is Freddy had perfectly good numbers in Seattle before he was traded to Chicago, Schmidt doesn't. And Freddy has a 4.53 ERA at home and a 2.44 ERA away BTW. El Duque is another, 6.49 ERA at home (ouch), and a 3.72 ERA away. Schmidt also has a G/F ratio of 0.99, which is not good at all. To put that into context, Garcia has a G/F ratio of 1.37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) But the thing is Freddy had perfectly good numbers in Seattle before he was traded to Chicago, Schmidt doesn't. And Freddy has a 4.53 ERA at home and a 2.44 ERA away BTW. El Duque is another, 6.49 ERA at home (ouch), and a 3.72 ERA away. Schmidt also has a G/F ratio of 0.99, which is not good at all. To put that into context, Garcia has a G/F ratio of 1.37. I knew you were going to counter with that argument You're exactly right, once again I'd love Schmidt because I believe his stuff is still there and he can revert back to the past few years form, I think his next 2-3 starts you'll really start to see him dominating but time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Ozzie's personal relationship with Freddy helped us land him. Besides him, what other top starter have we really been close to getting? Are Contreras and Duque considered top starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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