Gene Honda Civic Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 (edited) Year Age W L IP H R ER HR BB SO Pitcher X 1988 21 0 3 14.7 22 19 16 3 10 4 22 0 1 8.7 10 6 6 2 3 6 =============================================================== Total 0 4 23.1 32 25 24 5 13 10 McCarthy 2005 21 0 1 24.1 31 22 22 8 9 17 Yeah, we've gone over this one before, but I thought I would put the numbers out there once again. You can't just write a guy off after 25 IP. They could come back and be a HOFer. Edited July 5, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 yes we all know its maddux, I would love to see him turn out 1/2 as good as that. But something is wrong with him and they need to fix it.. even in triple-a he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) yes we all know its maddux, I would love to see him turn out 1/2 as good as that. But something is wrong with him and they need to fix it.. even in triple-a he sucks. Is that because it's his first season in AAA, and it's a major hitters park? Of course not many people probably realize this point last year, he was pitching for the Warthogs in high A ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 09:42 PM) yes we all know its maddux, I would love to see him turn out 1/2 as good as that. But something is wrong with him and they need to fix it.. even in triple-a he sucks. Yeah, it's called confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Except Maddux's fastball has movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) yes we all know its maddux, I would love to see him turn out 1/2 as good as that. But something is wrong with him and they need to fix it.. even in triple-a he sucks. dont hate him because he is older than you. The only thing that is wrong with him is his fastball lacks movement. He needs a cutter or a two seamer to work in on righties. He needs to throw the change a little more as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) yes we all know its maddux, I would love to see him turn out 1/2 as good as that. But something is wrong with him and they need to fix it.. even in triple-a he sucks. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 No es Maddux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 5, 2005 Author Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) No es Maddux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Look at Esteban Loaiza before he discovered the cutter, and look at him afterwards. Just something to consider on McCarthy, and what the Sox should be teaching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 The thing that's been bothering me about McCarthy is that it seems like he never throws his changeup. Never. He threw it on a couple of pitches early in the game yesterday, one of which struck out Lugo, and then got away from it to the point that 2 innings later Hawk and DJ were saying that the strikeout pitch was one of the only changeups that McCarthy threw. I'm starting to wonder a bit if AJ is a good catcher for McCarthy...AJ seems like he holds that pitch in reserve and wants him to throw the fastball and the curveball, when the only way BMac can have success is if he shows several hitters that changeup so that people can't just sit on the fastball. Has anyone else seen this? I'm almost certain that BMac has been basically not shaking off AJ at all and has been throwing whatever he calls for, but it seems like the changeup never gets used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:49 PM) Look at Esteban Loaiza before he learnt the cutter, and look at him afterwards. Just something to consider on McCarthy, and what the Sox should be teaching him. You're catching on since you've been here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 07:50 AM) You're catching on since you've been here At least I'm not as bad as qwerty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 mccarthy doesnt use all of his pitches equally, he tends to throw one pitch mroe often, he could use a good sinker or forkball, some pitch that stays down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 It's Curt Schilling as I suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 5, 2005 Author Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) The thing that's been bothering me about McCarthy is that it seems like he never throws his changeup. Never. He threw it on a couple of pitches early in the game yesterday, one of which struck out Lugo, and then got away from it to the point that 2 innings later Hawk and DJ were saying that the strikeout pitch was one of the only changeups that McCarthy threw. I'm starting to wonder a bit if AJ is a good catcher for McCarthy...AJ seems like he holds that pitch in reserve and wants him to throw the fastball and the curveball, when the only way BMac can have success is if he shows several hitters that changeup so that people can't just sit on the fastball. Has anyone else seen this? I'm almost certain that BMac has been basically not shaking off AJ at all and has been throwing whatever he calls for, but it seems like the changeup never gets used. I've thought the same thing. Part of it gets back to the confidence issue. He doesn't shake anything off. So it's not like he's pitching out there. Just throwing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 w00t, I finally figured out who it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 5, 2005 Author Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) w00t, I finally figured out who it was Borderline HOF candidate right now. But he does have some serious post-season heroics that should push him over the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) Borderline HOF candidate right now. But he does have some serious post-season heroics that should push him over the edge. QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) It's Curt Schilling as I suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Is that because it's his first season in AAA, and it's a major hitters park? Of course not many people probably realize this point last year, he was pitching for the Warthogs in high A ball. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Look we all got overly excited about another WS SP, he needs at least 2 more years in the minors before we can use him. That was the gameplan going into the season..and should have stuck with it. This is our bread and butter in the years to come, either via aa trade or in our own rotation, lets pray (to the god of your choice) that KW didn't f*** him over by calling him up to soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) yes we all know its maddux, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Too bad it's Curt Schilling. Or was KW hacking the baseball-reference site just so you could f*** up the facts....again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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