Chisoxfn Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 We'll know more about next year when we see what the Sox roster looks like after the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 On the 1st base situation, a lot of people think the Yankees are going to make a huge bid for Konerko, well Giambi had a great June and is starting to come around, not saying it's going to continue, but if it does, it puts the Yanks into an interesting situation. Depends what happens with Tino Martinez as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I think we are going to like what we see in Dye at first. He is a huge target, and rather agile for a big man. I mean, come on, if Lance Berkman can do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Apparently, the first installment of this experiment was a success. We'll have to monitor this one and see if it continues this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) Apparently, the first installment of this experiment was a success. We'll have to monitor this one and see if it continues this year. I hope he gets some more games at 1st. If he can handle it that has to lead you to believe Konerko is gone which as much of a fan favorite he is I think it will be good losing him, if for nothing else save some money. Ive said it once and ill say it again this upcoming offseason is going to be a huge one. I guess it could be small but id take an off-season of signing Garland long term, picking up Politte's option, losing Konerko, Timo, and Carl. Resigning Frank for as long as he plans to play. And than signing Pieryznski long term as well. I know its a bit early but here is my ideal 2006 major league team. C: AJ Pieryznski 1B: Jermaine Dye 2B: Tad Iguchi SS: Juan Uribe 3B: Joe Crede LF: Scott Podsenick CF: Brian Anderson RF: Aaron Rowand DH: Frank Thomas Bench: C: Chris Widger 1B/OF: Ross Gload Utility: Pablo Ozuna 2B: Willie Harris OF: ???? Starters: Mark Buehrle Freddy Garcia Jon Garland Contreras El Duque Bullpen: Dustin Hermanson Cliff Politte Neal Cotts Damaso Marte Bobby Jenks B-Mac(get some major league experiance starter next year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Doesn't look like a bad lineup, but I have to say I'd rather lose one of the Cubans and get anothe top flight starter...but that's just me. And I think Timo should be promoted to starting batboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) Plus that money they save on Kong can be used for other needs. The need would be for an All-Star caliber first baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) The need would be for an All-Star caliber first baseman. Even though he made the all star team that doesnt mean much. Didnt Jason Giambi make the all star game last year.......Seriously Konerko is so overated among sox fans its not even funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Konerko is good, and a great guy from what I hear, but he is not worth a dime more than we are paying Dye...and right now I believe Konerko is making about 3 or 4 million MORE than Dye is... Konerko is worth about 5M per year. I think he makes more than Derek Lee who is not only a great hitter, but has speed and is the best defensive 1B in the game. Depending on Konerkos asking price is the deciding factor to keep him or let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 07:48 AM) Konerko is good, and a great guy from what I hear, but he is not worth a dime more than we are paying Dye...and right now I believe Konerko is making about 3 or 4 million MORE than Dye is... Konerko is worth about 5M per year. I think he makes more than Derek Lee who is not only a great hitter, but has speed and is the best defensive 1B in the game. Depending on Konerkos asking price is the deciding factor to keep him or let him go. Interesting that the players and coaches voted him #2. I tend to believe the player votes more than the fan votes. It is impossible to compare player contracts. When Lee signed his, he wasn't an All-Star. Do you think if he was negotiating today he would have the same contract? Plus each contract goes through stages where players are under paid then over paid. It is rare when a contract exactly matches what a player is "worth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) Interesting that the players and coaches voted him #2. I tend to believe the player votes more than the fan votes. It is impossible to compare player contracts. When Lee signed his, he wasn't an All-Star. Do you think if he was negotiating today he would have the same contract? Plus each contract goes through stages where players are under paid then over paid. It is rare when a contract exactly matches what a player is "worth". The fact is Konerko is going to get paid somewhere around 10 million this offseason and well he is just not worth it. And I tend to believe my own eyes and watching Konerko every sox game over athletes who only really pay attention to their own team and current opponent. I think its pretty obvious it would be smarter to save the money and not give Konerko and let 1B go to one of Dye, Rogo, or Gload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Still, 8M+ per year for a player who hits homers and not much else to crow about its somewhat of a high asking price. Konerko is called slightly above average at 1B, but I consider him merely average defensivly...an 8M+ 1B needs to be above avg on the defensive side as well as hit the long balls (which Konerko does). Fact is, on a team like the Sox, where the money is spread all around, we have no room for guys making 15M like Magglio, et al...which is why they are gone. And it's why we are winning. Balance. QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:59 AM) Interesting that the players and coaches voted him #2. I tend to believe the player votes more than the fan votes. It is impossible to compare player contracts. When Lee signed his, he wasn't an All-Star. Do you think if he was negotiating today he would have the same contract? Plus each contract goes through stages where players are under paid then over paid. It is rare when a contract exactly matches what a player is "worth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 08:05 AM) The fact is Konerko is going to get paid somewhere around 10 million this offseason and well he is just not worth it. And I tend to believe my own eyes and watching Konerko every sox game over athletes who only really pay attention to their own team and current opponent. I think its pretty obvious it would be smarter to save the money and not give Konerko and let 1B go to one of Dye, Rogo, or Gload. I guess if you don't have the money to spend. The players are on the field are watching all the other players, not just the player on their team. They see everyone, not just one. I guess once they get everyone on the team making the exact same money, some people will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) I guess if you don't have the money to spend. The players are on the field are watching all the other players, not just the player on their team. They see everyone, not just one. I guess once they get everyone on the team making the exact same money, some people will be happy. No thats not it, some players are obviously worth more than others but Konerko is not worth 10 million. Id rather have Travis Hafner and even though he just got a new contract this season he is getting paid less than Konerko's current contract. If it was Magglio b4 injury id say he is worth 12-14 million for this team. Konerko on the other hand Id say only 6-8 and he is already getting paid a little bit more than 8 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Good analysis. The problem is we start chasing our tails and taking from one stack and never building. I cannot see how anyone could not place Kong as one of the top 4 1st basemen in the AL. And yes it is about balance. Kong is part of the power balance. We still play in one of the great power hitter's parks in the AL. We should have a couple guys in the line up that can take advantage of that. He is part of the nucleus and I think trading him for monetary reasons would be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Im not saying trade him, keep him for the season then in the offseason offer him arbitration and let what happens happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 09:00 AM) Good analysis. The problem is we start chasing our tails and taking from one stack and never building. I cannot see how anyone could not place Kong as one of the top 4 1st basemen in the AL. And yes it is about balance. Kong is part of the power balance. We still play in one of the great power hitter's parks in the AL. We should have a couple guys in the line up that can take advantage of that. He is part of the nucleus and I think trading him for monetary reasons would be a mistake. I agree with you. Konerko is a big part of this team, regardless of some prevailing opinions around Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Dye looked like he had pretty soft hands on the groundball he fielded over at first base late in the game. The one thing I didn't like was that his eyes didn't watch the ball into the mitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 06:59 AM) Interesting that the players and coaches voted him #2. I tend to believe the player votes more than the fan votes. It is impossible to compare player contracts. When Lee signed his, he wasn't an All-Star. Do you think if he was negotiating today he would have the same contract? Plus each contract goes through stages where players are under paid then over paid. It is rare when a contract exactly matches what a player is "worth". The players do the same thing as the fans, look at names more then what they're actually doing that season, as evident by pudge rodriguez. Anyways, we've been over this, Pauly made the team because first base is such a weak position this year in the al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 We all saw how worthless Konerko was without Thomas around. We sign Konerko to a big deal, he'll hurt our financial flexibilty with his one-dimensional play. Sure we'll have Thomas next year probably, but after that he might just retire. Then Konerko goes back to his .220, solo-homer hitting self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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