Steve9347 Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) I must admit, I originally applauded Kenny Williams for dealing Esteban Loaiza out of town and getting the hard-throwing Cuban Jose Contreras. However, this season it seems that Loaiza has gotten his cutter back, and is having a very nice season, while Contreras looks like he did in NY: dominant stuff... no control/confidence. Here are the stats. Esteban Loaiza 5-5, 3.61 ERA, makes $2.5 million/year Jose Contreras 3-5, 4.34 ERA, makes $8.5 million/year I understand that Loaiza was a FA at the end of the year, but I'm sure we could have had him for $3 million or so. However, I don't want to nit-pick Kenny, because he's really made some incredible moves. However, I just wanted to bring to the attention of everyone Loaiza's turnaround season. Of course, hindsight is always 20-20. Edited July 6, 2005 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 E-lo was terrible last year for both us and the yanks, no one saw this coming. Also, it's not like JC has been a bust either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I think it's safe to say most of us wanted E-Lo out of town. This is pretty normal of Esteban to have decent numbers, but he usually fizzles. He did with us even in his near Cy Young year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Loaiza is probably having a good year in the NL because hitters haven't seen him.. It will wear off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Perhaps a switch to the NL has done some good for our old friend ELo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 The National's park is very favorable to pitchers. His ERA is 2.36 at home and 5.24 away. When you combine his road ERA with the fact that he plays in the NL, his probable ERA on our team is truly frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) Loaiza is probably having a good year in the NL because hitters haven't seen him.. It will wear off.. spent a decent amount of his pro career with the buckos in pitt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 QUOTE(peanut33tillman @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) spent a decent amount of his pro career with the buckos in pitt... but the hitters have changed and not all of the hitters remember each pitcher from a while back.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Add that one run for the NL to AL ERA conversion and they look about the same. I can't think of anybody on this board that wasn't sick of E-Lo due to "gutless performances" when we traded him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 It's been a push at best for us. When you consider the money, its probably been a move we could want to take back. That JC money might have landed a Matt Morris or Odalis Perez (nicked up) who are better than Jose or we could have resigned Loaiza for less money than we are paying Jose. Still, its not been a brutal move or anything. My suspicions are that if we didn't make the trade, Esteban would have been bad enough to where we would have run him out of town and he wouldn't be here anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxMatt Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 JC also got no run support otherwise he may have 7 wins at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Talk to me in October, when Eh Steve! has taken the last month of the season off. He's going to hand the division title to the Braves, just wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I'll stick to what I originally thought and will say Contreras was a good pickup for us. He's been above average for the most part. Most people expected a 5 ERA again anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 6, 2005 -> 05:46 PM) I don't care what this guy says, he has the best avator on the site. Thanks. Can't go wrong with Eddie the Eagle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 The Twins had E-Lo figured out by the end of 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Loaiza wasn't bringing his A game with him last year. He showed me that in the AS game when he was hitting 94 mph, yet he'd top out at 89 for the Sox. No thanks. That's the type of player we didn't need in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp...t=.jsp&c_id=was Nationals outfielder Jose Guillen was upset after Tuesday's win against the Mets and didn't want to talk to the media. According to multiple sources, Guillen was angry that teammate Esteban Loaiza didn't retaliate after Mets right-hander Pedro Martinez hit Guillen with a pitch in the first inning. According to the sources, Guillen believed that Martinez purposely hit him with the pitch. One source said Loaiza didn't retaliate because the game was close and he didn't want to allow runners on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 03:47 AM) http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp...t=.jsp&c_id=was One source said Loaiza didn't retaliate because the game was close and he didn't want to allow runners on base. What is loaiza thinking trying to win the game? Stupid loaiza was never taught hitting a guy for retalliation is more important than a win. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 08:56 AM) What is loaiza thinking trying to win the game? Stupid loaiza was never taught hitting a guy for retalliation is more important than a win. :headshake Didnt Guillen get mad last year when he got hit in a game vs toronto? He seems like he is a very passionate guy, I bet if he was a pitcher he would be like Pedro lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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