Harris thinks he should play everyday.

[Sonik22]

Ozuna hustles.  He plays the game hard and I like watching him play.  He is fun to watch.

Ozuna is one of my favorite players on this team just because of the way he plays and how useful he is to help rest the other players. He will play wherever u need him and he will get the job done.

[White Sox Josh]

In all due respect, I've heard a lot of crazy things on message boards, but saying that Timo is deceptively fast might be the most false statement ever.  If anything, Timo is deceptively slow.  Yes, he's a short guy who doesn't hit homers.  Thus, people think he should be fast.  However, he's incredibly slow for his size, and has well below MLB average speed.  Did you see how slow he looked trying to stretch his hit into a double today?  Get the piano off your back!  Timo also is so slow that he has to play extremely deep in the outfield, which leads to poor range.

thats what i meant. But he drives pitchers nuts even though the Scouting Report clearly says that he has OK speed at best. He is a smart baserunner.

[White Sox Josh]

Ozuna is one of my favorite players on this team just because of the way he plays and how useful he is to help rest the other players.  He will play wherever u need him and he will get the job done.

he is one of those guys who would play the game for free if he could. He does something positive everytime he is the game.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Timo does the little things to help you win.  Clutch hits, a very good arm, and desceptivley fast.  He will be on the team because he is a smart veteran who can play his role perfectly.  Also Harris doesn't use his speed at all because he is a terrible baserunner.  He almost never steals when he is on.

I can not defend Willie tonight. He had a terrible game, but there's so many things wrong with this quote.

 

Deceptively fast? are you kidding? DJ, an unabashed Timo apologist, even said "He looks fast, but he's just... not" while he was turning a single into an out today.

 

Smart? I don't know about that. Smart players use two hands on to catch the ball. Smart players don't bunt with two outs. Smart players use first basemen's mitts at 1B.

 

Doesn't use his speed? is a terrible baserunner? -- Willie is 7 for 9 in SBs this season. He's only been on first base 25 times. He's attempted to steal in about half of his times on base. -- Scratch that he's been inserted as a pinch runner a few times. I think two of his SB might be PRing. Still, that probably shows just how effective he is at using his speed. He's stolen in key situations when everyone in the ballpark knew he had to steal -- Podsednik has been on first base 100 times, and has attempted 52 steals, but many of those were of third base. Also Pods has the tendency to pad his total vs. really poor pitchers like Daniel Cabrera. Willie's actually stealing more often once he reaches base, and he's probably doing it against tougher batteries. I know Pods has been shut down by a few guys who can actually throw (Pudge, Blanco, etc.) Meanwhile he's running wild on Jason Kendell.

 

Willie has more steals this season in just 70 ABs than that clutch, 'deceptively fast' player you're touting has had in every season but one.

[SoxFan1]

How many times did he fail to get Pods over? How many times did he fail to make contact at all? Timo showed me a little something today.

[CWSGuy406]

How many times did he fail to get Pods over? How many times did he fail to make contact at all? Timo showed me a little something today.

 

Yup, he sure did. That he can have his best offensive night of the season, going 3-for-4, and still have an OBP under .300. Meanwhile, a struggling Willie Harris -- who is clearly not playing at his best, or even at his average self right now (not saying he's hurt, just saying he's not playing well) -- still has an OBP over .300.

 

Plus he's better defensively.

 

Plus he can steal a bag late in the game.

 

I'm not gonna try and defend Harris as an everyday player. But he's better than Timo -- a lot better.

 

And I just got home from the game. Any reason why Rowand/Thomas/Iguchi all were benched, after a day off? Any *good* reasoning for that yet?

Edited July 9, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[SoxFan1]

Yup, he sure did.  That he can have his best offensive night of the season, going 3-for-4, and still have an OBP under .300.  Meanwhile, a struggling Willie Harris -- who is clearly not playing at his best, or even at his average self right now (not saying he's hurt, just saying he's not playing well) -- still has an OBP over .300.

 

Plus he's better defensively.

 

Plus he can steal a bag late in the game.

 

I'm not gonna try and defend Harris as an everyday player.  But he's better than Timo -- a lot better.

 

And I just got home from the game.  Any reason why Rowand/Thomas/Iguchi all were benched, after a day off?  Any *good* reasoning for that yet?

Wow wow wow....I never said Timo was better than Willie. I was just saying that Timo played a helluva game and Willie played like ass.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 10:55 PM)

Yup, he sure did.  That he can have his best offensive night of the season, going 3-for-4, and still have an OBP under .300.  Meanwhile, a struggling Willie Harris -- who is clearly not playing at his best, or even at his average self right now (not saying he's hurt, just saying he's not playing well) -- still has an OBP over .300.

 

Plus he's better defensively.

 

Plus he can steal a bag late in the game.

 

I'm not gonna try and defend Harris as an everyday player.  But he's better than Timo -- a lot better.

 

And I just got home from the game.  Any reason why Rowand/Thomas/Iguchi all were benched, after a day off?  Any *good* reasoning for that yet?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

You hit the nail right on the head right there...

 

If we only used Willie as a PR and defensive replacement he'd be more useful then Timo...

[3E8]

Don't look now, but

 

Timo - .231/.286/.606

Willie - .216/.301/.517

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jk, you guys know I love to rile you up. Neither is really adequate for even a bench player. But I'd still like them both to stay with the team because there are different late-game situations where I'd use them and they could be effective.

 

Let Walker make room for Gload.

[YASNY]

Willie did not say he should get more playing time. Willie said he like a full fledged chance to play every day. He did not indicate that he is pissed off because he isn't playing every day. Any yound ball player that has been bench depth for a couple of years should want the opportunity to play every day. That's normal, and not something he should be reamed for saying. At least not with the way Willie said it.

 

However, I don't see him getting that opportunity with the Sox. Nor should he, with the players we have in front of him.

[GoodAsGould]

Let Walker make room for Gload.

 

Isnt Walker taking up one of Marte's or Hermy's spot...If I had to choose who the better player is out of Timo and Willie... it has to be Willie... But than again this team seems to be all about the word "team" and of the 2 I think Timo is a better team player and people love to be around him.

 

I think KW is going to let Ozzie say which he wants to keep up and I have to believe Ozzie will pick Timo over Willie.... that being said if Gload is healthy enough to play in the OF you have to believe Willie is much more valuable to this team.

 

In the end Id like to say that its funny with all the Willie Harris haters here, they are put to shame compared to the Timo haters

Edited July 9, 2005 by SoxFan101

[3E8]

Yeah I forgot Marte on DL.

[PutItOnTheBoard]

willie seemed to have some promise but i have given up completely on him

[Cleats67]

Willie Harris is one of the most unintelligent baseball players I have ever seen. I don't care how rusty you are from lack of playing time. You are a major leaguer and no doubt he has pretty good bunting ability and yet he failed to get PODs over twice with no outs. That is a f***ing travesty, and it cost us at least two runs and the game. On his swings, he didn't even appear to be trying to get the runner over, instead trying to go to the opposite field. That is the sign of someone that has no brains.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why Ozzie put that lineup in for the first game of a big series from a team that has owned us, except that he may have been using them for trade bait. If that is the case, Willie did himself no favors there either.

[Y2HH]

If you like Timo or Willie in this starting lineup your a tard.

 

That goes for all of you.

 

[Balance]

Willie had two opportunities to move Pods over to third with less than two outs. He failed miserably. He made a couple of half-hearted bunt attempts, but ultimately swung away. If you're in Willie's shoes, you have to be able to bunt a runner over.

 

If he wants to play every day, he's going to have to execute a whole lot better than he did last night.

 

[Hanky Panky]

Has anyone ever talked to Willie in person? He is such a hick. He can't even speak right. Oh wait, he's from Cairo--that's Cairo, GA.

[GoodAsGould]

Has anyone ever talked to Willie in person? He is such a hick. He can't even speak right. Oh wait, he's from Cairo--that's Cairo, GA.

 

 

Dont make fun of him he is the only player other than Jackie Robinson from there!!

[jackie hayes]

Has anyone ever talked to Willie in person? He is such a hick. He can't even speak right. Oh wait, he's from Cairo--that's Cairo, GA.

Are you kidding w/ this s***?

 

The "hick" crap is just f'n dumb. And of all the fans of ML teams, you'd think White Sox fans would be the LEAST inclined to talk s*** about Georgia, after 16 years.

 

And if there's one thing I couldn't care less about... Hey Joe, how do you spell Mississippi? Hey fat lady, how do you spell triple? Uppityness is for Wrigley.

[marsh]

about willie harris being sent down and gload being brought up. after last nite's game this must have happened.

 

maybe they are waiting to give willie a early wake up call and bus ticket.

 

edit:sorry just saw the massive harris thread, if a mod wants to merge it into there that is cool.

Edited July 9, 2005 by marsh

[AddisonStSox]

Where's this thread at? LOL. Check out some of the archives, there must be 101 threads about this very subject.

 

I still endorse sending Timo down for Gload.

 

A) Gload is a better left-handed bat, no two ways about it.

 

B ) He is this team's current backup 1B

 

C) I still believe that little s*** is valuable off the bench and to spell Iguchi when need be.

[marsh]

Where's this thread at?  LOL.  Check out some of the archives, there must be 101 threads about this very subject.

 

I still endorse sending Timo down for Gload.

 

A) Gload is a better left-handed bat, no two ways about it.

 

B ) He is this team's current backup 1B

 

C) I still believe that little s*** is valuable off the bench and to spell Iguchi when need be.

 

I think Dye is now the back up 1B and I don't see why Ozuna can't back up 2B.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 10:11 PM)

Willie has always played better with consistant playing time. He's still more valuable then Timo even while completely blowing offensively. Third if you actually read the article it says he desires more playing time, who doesn't. What do you expect him to say. I'm perfectly happy never being any better then what I am now. It's fun to blame this game on Willie but the guy hasn't played in like a week. He shouldn't of been in the 2 spot period...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Didn't Harris bat .182 or something last June and July when he was getting "consistent playing time?"

 

Willie sucks, and I hope he is tradedat the deadline to improve this team.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 11:55 PM)

Yup, he sure did.  That he can have his best offensive night of the season, going 3-for-4, and still have an OBP under .300.  Meanwhile, a struggling Willie Harris -- who is clearly not playing at his best, or even at his average self right now (not saying he's hurt, just saying he's not playing well) -- still has an OBP over .300.

 

Plus he's better defensively.

 

Plus he can steal a bag late in the game.

 

I'm not gonna try and defend Harris as an everyday player.  But he's better than Timo -- a lot better.

 

And I just got home from the game.  Any reason why Rowand/Thomas/Iguchi all were benched, after a day off?  Any *good* reasoning for that yet?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Timo's OPS is 90 points higher than Willie's right now. There is no God!

Edited July 9, 2005 by santo=dorf

[GoodAsGould]

 

Didn't Harris bat .182 or something last June and July when he was getting "consistent playing time?"

 

Willie sucks, and I hope he is tradedat the deadline to improve this team.

 

 

When getting everyday playing time Willie was batting around .300ish with a good OBP... than Valentin came back from DL and Uribe was favored over Willie and Willie slowly declined but still was decent.