SoxFan1 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) Exactly. As a first move, I don't mind it. As the only move, horrible and dissapointing. Well, that pretty much sums it up to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) They've got to be just looking at the numbers. Explain it to them this way, Zach Day = Kirk Saarloos Exactly Cheat... or maybe its just that everyone is spoiled by the likes of Buehrle, Garland, Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Exactly Cheat... or maybe its just that everyone is spoiled by the likes of Buehrle, Garland, Garcia. Maybe that is true. Maybe we ARE spoiled by having 3 phenominal starters. Is this the coming of the next Big 3 for years to come? With a combing like 32 wins and a low ERA, this staff is set right? No. Contreras and whoever the 5th starter are have not been getting it done. Contrerads pitched well in his last start but he is ery inconsistent and we need an innings eater at the end of the rotation to be able to save the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 08:29 AM) They've got to be just looking at the numbers. Explain it to them this way, Zach Day = Kirk Saarloos He's better than Saarloos, imo. Those that are just looking at numbers are dead wrong on Zach Day, when the kid is healthy he can pitch and he's a much better option this year than Brandon McCarthy. I think this would be a very good move assuming the Sox aren't giving up anything too grand. The only thing is I can't see the Sox throwing cash into this deal because thats not there MO. This would be a good move because it gives the Sox a much needed insurance option (plus when healthy he's a good pitcher) not to mention he could also be packaged up with a good prospect for something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnin Ugly Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 Has there been any chicago reports about this trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) Trading for an average at best pitcher coming of the DL? This doesn't make any sense and then on top of that giving up prospects? I hope not! Average at best? Age 24 - ERA+ = 115 Age 25 - ERA+ = 119 Age 26 - ERA+ = 105 Seems to me he's been nothing but above average, not to mention very young, and very cheap. f*** sending him elsewhere. I've admired him as a pitcher and watched his starts for awhile now, so I'm a little jaded on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) If this happens, who's to say there won't be another move? He would make a nice 5th starter for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Day has had 2 starts in AAA since his injury, he's 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA, 7 K's and 1 BB. Here's a good piece on him; All Baseball - Zach Day Age 27 (turned 27 in middle of June) 2005 stats: 6.75 ERA, 1.83 WHIP, 25 BB, 16 K in 36 innings His first two half-years in the majors, Zach was perfectly acceptable as a back of the rotation starter. About a hit an inning and low HR numbers equals an acceptable ERA. The knock on him was that he always walked too many and struck out too few. He did make very minor progress from 2003 to 2004 but has seemed to regress this year and now he’s injured. Projects to the back of the rotation, 4th or 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 He's better than Saarloos, imo. Those that are just looking at numbers are dead wrong on Zach Day, when the kid is healthy he can pitch and he's a much better option this year than Brandon McCarthy. I think this would be a very good move assuming the Sox aren't giving up anything too grand. The only thing is I can't see the Sox throwing cash into this deal because thats not there MO. This would be a good move because it gives the Sox a much needed insurance option (plus when healthy he's a good pitcher) not to mention he could also be packaged up with a good prospect for something else. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jason, excellent points, could not have stated it better. Right now Day is out on a rehab assignment but he's a guy who pitched with some really bad Montreal teams behind him. I've always liked his arm, watched him throw vs. the Cubs and he knows what he's doing. Plus, he's versatile and could be a key piece for the future too. It's all about this year at the moment. Every move that's made, the question is does it provide depth, are we making the major league team better? I think this guy would be excellent depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Living here in SF I know that Brian Sabean try to get Zach Day at the beginnig of the year. So maybe we are close to getting Jason Schmidt.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Willie Harris and Joe Borchard would look good. Zach Day can pitch. Stat - Hernandez is 7-2. This makes him a top pitcher in the AL as far as win % goes. He is not a top pitcher in reality though. Borchard is out of options and red hot. They lose him for nothing if he does not stick at the ML level next year. He could be a monster in Colorado. Harris can play OF (speed) or second/short for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 You could also look at this another way. Sox could keep Zach Day as the 5th starter, allowing them to package one of Cont or Duque and some prospects to another team for a pitcher and than be able to lock up said pitcher to a long term deal (ie AJ Burnett). You give up a guy like Duque, and two good prospects and a mid-level for Burnett. Sox than insert Day into the 5th spot (they still have Bmac as the potential 6th guy cause he's the one guy you don't ever offer...also who knows if Florida would accept) and than you now free up 4.5 million or so that Duque was set to make, meaning that you only really increase payroll by 5.5 million and offer AJ 10 mill a year. They could also do this to acquire another player who may have a higher salary. Just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) You could also look at this another way. Sox could keep Zach Day as the 5th starter, allowing them to package one of Cont or Duque and some prospects to another team for a pitcher and than be able to lock up said pitcher to a long term deal (ie AJ Burnett). You give up a guy like Duque, and two good prospects and a mid-level for Burnett. Sox than insert Day into the 5th spot (they still have Bmac as the potential 6th guy cause he's the one guy you don't ever offer...also who knows if Florida would accept) and than you now free up 4.5 million or so that Duque was set to make, meaning that you only really increase payroll by 5.5 million and offer AJ 10 mill a year. They could also do this to acquire another player who may have a higher salary. Just throwing it out there. I think the fragile psyche of Count and Duque make them fixtures in some regard. I also do not think a team will take on their salary. I get the feeling the Yanks are paying a good chunck of Count's salary which keeps him cheap for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) I think the fragile psyche of Count and Duque make them fixtures in some regard. I also do not think a team will take on their salary. I get the feeling the Yanks are paying a good chunck of Count's salary which keeps him cheap for us. Sox are paying roughly 6 mill a year for Cont. It may even be 7, I forget exactly, but its far from cheap. Of course if Jose pitches like he did early in the year it would be well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) You could also look at this another way. Sox could keep Zach Day as the 5th starter, allowing them to package one of Cont or Duque and some prospects to another team for a pitcher and than be able to lock up said pitcher to a long term deal (ie AJ Burnett). You give up a guy like Duque, and two good prospects and a mid-level for Burnett. Sox than insert Day into the 5th spot (they still have Bmac as the potential 6th guy cause he's the one guy you don't ever offer...also who knows if Florida would accept) and than you now free up 4.5 million or so that Duque was set to make, meaning that you only really increase payroll by 5.5 million and offer AJ 10 mill a year. They could also do this to acquire another player who may have a higher salary. Just throwing it out there. I'm all for this idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Zach Day would be a very nice pickup.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) I bet a package of Zach Day and B-Mac can get something pretty good in return. Or a package of Contreras, Day and $1,000,000 would get Schmidt or Burnett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 El Duque will probably be the one to stay from the Cuban duo because of Dookies playoff experience and success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 05:15 PM) El Duque will probably be the one to stay from the Cuban duo because of Dookies playoff experience and success. Also the fact I think it helps Contreras to have El Duque here more than it helps El Duque to have Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) Living here in SF I know that Brian Sabean try to get Zach Day at the beginnig of the year. So maybe we are close to getting Jason Schmidt.. IIRC, you unearthed some other Sox/SF rumors, so I'm going to take your word on this one. We could be getting close, like it or not, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I will welcome Day to the rotation. He is young and Coop might help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 01:17 PM) IIRC, you unearthed some other Sox/SF rumors, so I'm going to take your word on this one. We could be getting close, like it or not, folks. Well, they were saying ealrier in the week that a trade might be close. But wit hall these different rumors, it might just be a smokescreen. But, for some strange reason, if the 3-way was to go thru, I just get the feeling that KW would keep Day. I dont't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 It's funny to read this thread from beginning to end. It went from the whole first page of people saying, "No way, this is a terrible idea," to people liking the trade. I'm all for the trade. I'd prefer to package Day with someone else and make a bigger trade, but I also wouldn't mind keeping him as a swingman or 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) It's funny to read this thread from beginning to end. It went from the whole first page of people saying, "No way, this is a terrible idea," to people liking the trade. I'm all for the trade. I'd prefer to package Day with someone else and make a bigger trade, but I also wouldn't mind keeping him as a swingman or 5th starter. I believe that the Day trade would be a trade that KW will make to help satisfy SF's interest in two ML ready SPs for Schmidt. But, that saying... If Day pitches well for the Sox, KW might not deal him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 12:29 PM) I believe that the Day trade would be a trade that KW will make to help satisfy SF's interest in two ML ready SPs for Schmidt. But, that saying... If Day pitches well for the Sox, KW might not deal him. I agree for the most part. I think it's almost certain that he'd turn around and trade him, though he just might keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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