Awful series by Ozzie

[White Sox Josh]

WAS  there a reason Crede, and dye didn't play.. I would've put my best team on the field to win not the final game but the series.  I was pleasantly surprized by TImo getting a hit and Konerko finally showing why he's an all star.. I don't get taking out the most effective pitcher Politte after doing his job he can go longer than an inning and a 1/3..  All star Homework for Ozzie:  We need someone I don't care who that can strike out the opponents Cotts, Viscaiano, and the rest of the staff  get 2 strikes on someone and can't get the job done.  Ask the whitesox hitters what bad pitches and pitches they swing badly at so they can throw similar pitches to our opponents in the second half.  Otherwise good luck

Shingo should've been in there. When is Ozzie gonna learn?

:headshake

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Yeah the Rowand play was perplexing. He pulled up lik he thought it was going to carom off the wall but it landed at the base of it and looked like it may have been pretty catchable. Just one of those goofy terrible days I guess. With the sun as bad as it was today, I was surprised we didn't have big drops on either side. I think the most disappointing thing about this series isnj't losing three games but losing when you have near sellout/sellout crowds. You'd like to keep the paying customer very happy by winning so he'll come back real soon. Sort of a wasted opprtunity for goodwill with the Flubs out of town.

[whitesoxmanager]

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 06:08 PM)

To me that 7th run for the A's was the key to the ballgame.  There is no point in walking Scaturo to load the bases either.  Just bring in Politte for the out.

 

Also, why could Kotsay get back to the wall for Iguchi's late drive, but Rowand couldn't protecting a 5-4 Sox lead.  It is hard to criticize Rowand's fielding, but that Johnson double that put them ahead should have been a long out. 

 

Still, I think Ozzie made the wrong moves to cost the game.  It was nice to see us battling, anyway.

 

In addition to Gload, El Duque, and Marte coming back, I'd like to see some more help via a trade.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

the slump will not last...this team is way to strong! Nice points about those 3 coming back! the key to the last week for me was contreras...i like the way he didn't go completely south! then we would have had a little issue with the 4th 5th starters.....you know oz has said before that he will never jump on his players for a mental mistake...i found that pretty strange to be true...but that is nice to know that he is that committed to this team!

[quickman]

Well, I hope the bakery was better than the game.

 

I too would have taken my chances with Scutaro in that situation.

 

On the Frank out at home situation, one mistake was compounded by another.  Thomas got a terrible jump from 2nd with two outs, and all it took was a decent throw by the LF, guess what, he made a decent throw.

 

Tons of mental errors all around today.  You should have heard DJ on the tv when Harris was attempting to bunt ... "it looks like Willie is trying to bunt to third.  You absolutely do NOT bunt to third base with Chavez 40 feet away, it's that simple."  Added Hawk, "Yup, it looks like he's trying to bunt to third."

 

 

We still need better players. And we will get them...soon.

[That funky motion]

Also, why could Kotsay get back to the wall for Iguchi's late drive, but Rowand couldn't protecting a 5-4 Sox lead.  It is hard to criticize Rowand's fielding, but that Johnson double that put them ahead should have been a long out. 

What about Scotty's bad jump in the first? Scotty get the worst jumps on balls period! :puke

[Soxfest]

OG sucked in this series

[KevHead0881]

Pretty sure we get swept this series regardless of how Ozzie managed it.

[fathom]

Pretty sure we get swept this series regardless of how Ozzie managed it.

 

I severely disagree. We should have won today's game. Ozzie cost us quite a few runs with his decision-making. Friday's game was lost in big part because of our "sunday" lineup. I honestly don't get what part of "Ozuna can't play 3b" that Ozzie and KW don't understand? Just cause someone can play 2b or SS, it doesn't mean they can play 3b.

[GoodAsGould]

Willie - See ya in Charlotte.  You really are dumb.

 

 

Im glad people are officially dumb after having a bad series... :puke

 

 

 

Ozzie - Learn how to f***ing manage better. Ozuna is N O T a 3B.

 

I mean its not like he is the front runner for manager of the year or anything

 

Rowand - Stick that needle back in your ass, you need it.

 

WTF is that apposed to mean :headshake

 

Vizcaino - Nothing's changed.

 

Finally something I agree with.

[fathom]

Im glad people are officially dumb after having a bad series...  :puke

I mean its not like he is the front runner for manager of the year or anything 

WTF is that apposed to mean  :headshake

Finally something I agree with.

 

Just cause someone is the frontrunner for manager of the year, it doesn't mean they're immune from criticism when they make AWFUL decisions during a game. I don't know how anyone could defend Ozzie's managerial decisions today. This A's series matched the Angels series at the Cell earlier this year in terms of terrible managing by Guillen. I can just imagine the heat Jerry Manuel would have received if he pulled some of the stunts that Guillen did this wknd.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I agree that Pods is bad on jumps/reads, those who said as much when the trade went down weren't believed by me but they were right. Luckily his speed can cover those mistakes in left, but he just seems awkward in center.

[GoodAsGould]

Just cause someone is the frontrunner for manager of the year, it doesn't mean they're immune from criticism when they make AWFUL decisions during a game.  I don't know how anyone could defend Ozzie's managerial decisions today.  This A's series matched the Angels series at the Cell earlier this year in terms of terrible managing by Guillen.  I can just imagine the heat Jerry Manuel would have received if he pulled some of the stunts that Guillen did this wknd.

 

 

No doubt about it, Ozzie didnt manage a good series but thats not what he said...... the quote was Learn How to f***ing Manage Better..... Now this is Ozzie's 2nd season and he led us to an amazing first half and is way ahead of where he was last year in terms of being a smart manager.

[fathom]

No doubt about it, Ozzie didnt manage a good series but thats not what he said...... the quote was Learn How to f***ing Manage Better..... Now this is Ozzie's 2nd season and he led us to an amazing first half and is way ahead of where he was last year in terms of being a smart manager.

 

Ozzie has improved from last year, but he's still far from being a good in-game manager. No doubt he's a good motivator.....but that can only get you so far. The one thing I've always said you need in a manager, in regards to in-game, is that they put the team in the best chance to succeed. That's why I was upset when he let Cotts stay in to face Melhuse instead of bringing in the much more reliable Politte. Also, what other manager would you have seen pitch to Swisher instead of walking him to face a righty batter with the bases loaded. It's not like Vizcaino is a strikeout pitcher. Hell, Jenks had a better chance of getting out of that situation than Vizcaino did.

Edited July 11, 2005 by fathom

[YASNY]

How dare he play the players he has...

 

Their were some questionable moves, but blaming the entire sweep on him is a bit too much, in my opinion.

 

Hell ... let them b****. While they are blaming Ozzie for the "entire series", I'll give Ozzie credit for the "entire first half".

[southsider2k5]

Somedays it is better to look at the thread-starters than the threads themselves... something are so predictable.

[Y2HH]

It didn't matter who we played, or when or how...it was the A's, we would have found a way to lose/they would have found a way to win.

 

Good riddance to the A's, we no longer see them, and contrary to what seems to be the popular opinion of this message board, the A's will NOT be making the playoffs. Also, contrary to the belief that the Angles aren't that good...um, well...the Angles ARE that good, while the A's are simply on a hot streak, which, with the all star break, is all but over. Momentum shifts are nullified by the ASB, both on the winning and losing side of things.

 

I'll say this again, and you can bank on it: The Angles will be in the playoffs, the A's will not be.

 

Now, we need to rest a few days, bring this thing back together and continue our ALC dominance in the 2nd half...we do that, and we are going far.

 

Also...time to make a move. Not sure what others think but it's time to get that SS we missed out on in the off-season from the Giants, veteran presense in the lineup, can hit, and can field better than most of them. As much as I like Uribe's arm, I dislike his attitude as of late...and his bat has holes drilled into it.

 

Sox fans for Vizquel. Aquire him now...send Uribe and a used rosen bag in trade.

[3E8]

Good riddance to the A's, we no longer see them, and contrary to what seems to be the popular opinion of this message board, the A's will NOT be making the playoffs.  Also, contrary to the belief that the Angles aren't that good...um, well...the Angles ARE that good, while the A's are simply on a hot streak, which, with the all star break, is all but over.  Momentum shifts are nullified by the ASB, both on the winning and losing side of things.

 

I'll say this again, and you can bank on it: The Angles will be in the playoffs, the A's will not be.

The A's have had a bunch of injuries and are still dealing with some. Considering that, they are only 4.5 games out of the wild card. I'm not banking on anything yet.

[wallyburger]

Besides being one of the dumbest, most profane, spittingest managers in MLB, Ozzie has the benefit of having the worst excuse for a bench coach. Is anyone responsible for waking Harold up during the game? What does Harold The Mope do, besides reload Ozzie's sunflower seed bucket?

 

The holes in this roster were glaringly exposed this weekend.

 

P.S. Really bugs my ass when I see the starting SS and CF on Mariners roster.

[Chisoxrd5]

Besides being one of the dumbest, most profane, spittingest managers in MLB, Ozzie has the benefit of having the worst excuse for a bench coach. Is anyone responsible for waking Harold up during the game? What does Harold The Mope do, besides reload Ozzie's sunflower seed bucket?

 

The holes in this roster were glaringly exposed this weekend.

 

P.S. Really bugs my ass when I see the starting SS and CF on Mariners roster.

 

Welcome to Soxtalk first of all!

 

I do also wonder what Harold Baines purpose is on this team. He was never vocal as a player, and I doubt that has changed as a coach. Anytime they show a shot of the dugout Baines sits motionless in the corner much like he did during his playing days.

 

As for the rest of your post, I would love to hear what the glaring holes in our roster are? Are you sure your not overreacting just a little bit?

[southsider2k5]

Besides being one of the dumbest, most profane, spittingest managers in MLB, Ozzie has the benefit of having the worst excuse for a bench coach. Is anyone responsible for waking Harold up during the game? What does Harold The Mope do, besides reload Ozzie's sunflower seed bucket?

 

The holes in this roster were glaringly exposed this weekend.

 

P.S. Really bugs my ass when I see the starting SS and CF on Mariners roster.

 

And it makes me feel a lot better when I see our long term, cheaply signed #2 starter go out and pitch like a stud.

[Yossarian]

Just cause someone is the frontrunner for manager of the year, it doesn't mean they're immune from criticism when they make AWFUL decisions during a game.  I don't know how anyone could defend Ozzie's managerial decisions today.  This A's series matched the Angels series at the Cell earlier this year in terms of terrible managing by Guillen.  I can just imagine the heat Jerry Manuel would have received if he pulled some of the stunts that Guillen did this wknd.

At this point I would have to say that I give Ozzie credit for changing the team's philosophy and helping to create a high degree of camraderie. As far as X's and O's and game day strategy he is definitely not one of the better managers in MLB. In fact he's one of the worst.

[Yossarian]

I agree that Pods is bad on jumps/reads, those who said as much when the trade went down weren't believed by me but they were right. Luckily his speed can cover those mistakes in left, but he just seems awkward in center.

The same thing a lot of fans criticized Lee for. No I'm not criticizing the trade in any way, just making an observation.

[southsider2k5]

The same thing a lot of fans criticized Lee for. No I'm not criticizing the trade in any way, just making an observation.

 

There is no doubt that Pods is a terrible LFer who is blessed with terrific speed to make up for some of his mistakes. People have ripped Everett's ability to play D, but I think he has more ability to make plays out there than Pods does.

[Chisoxrd5]

There is no doubt that Pods is a terrible LFer who is blessed with terrific speed to make up for some of his mistakes.  People have ripped Everett's ability to play D, but I think he has more ability to make plays out there than Pods does.

 

I honestly cannot believe he played CF everyday for the past two seasons. I'm glad I'm not/was a Brewers fan

 

He freezes on balls over his head and takes some of the most ridiculous routes to balls I have ever seen.

 

I have been ok with Everett out there this year.

[fathom]

Somedays it is better to look at the thread-starters than the threads themselves... something are so predictable.

 

If I wasn't sitting on my couch in amazement at some of the moves this weekend, I would have never started this thread. Flat out, I'd be willing to bet more people agreed with me that Ozzie sucked this weekend than those that believe he had nothing to do with our bad series.

Just cause they're the frontrunner for manager of the year, it doesn't mean they're perfect. A great example of that is how Bruce Weber s*** the bed at the end of the Ohio St. game in basketball this season. No doubt, Weber deserved the coach of the year. However, I've never seen a coach be so clueless down the stretch in a game (sorry for the basketball comparison, just that I know a lot of people on here are Illini fans).