Texsox Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Link Here Myanmar - Thin Sandar, a chicken seller in Myanmar, had always dreamed of being a man. When she inexplicably grew a penis last month, the 21-year-old treated it as an awe-inspiring omen - as have the thousands of stunned villagers who have travelled to a pagoda to see him. "On the morning of the full moon day of June 21, I noticed my thing (sex organ) was not the same as before," Thin Sandar, who now goes by the male name Than Sein, told AFP in an interview at his home. "And my breasts disappeared," Than Sein added. "So I called out and showed it all to my mom and dad. It was very strange." Strange enough that he has attracted significant attention in this deeply superstitious country, where the unexplained can quickly be exalted to hold powerful spiritual significance. People privately concede Than Sein is a hermaphrodite. Several medical experts have examined him, and he awaits test results from the central women's hospital. Examined by experts But few have come forward with a medical explanation of the transformation as they await an official report by the health ministry, whose experts have also examined Than Sein. "We can not say right now if she has really undergone a sudden gender change," said a township official who declined to be named, adding that Than Sein's birth certificate shows that he was born a girl. "It can be confirmed when we receive the report from the health ministry, although some medical check-ups have shown her to be a true man," he added. Hermaphrodites, also known as intersexuals, are often born with ambiguous genitalia, or have both testicular and ovarian tissue in a single person. Medical doctor Aye Sanda Khaing put it in layman's terms in a local journal: "Her penis appeared at the site of her clitoris," the doctor was quoted as saying. Regardless of the official findings, local villagers and other curious Myanmar nationals are flocking to the Aung Myay Thar Yar pagoda, in this new satellite township 19 kilometres from Yangon, to see Than Sein for themselves and make donations to him or the temple. 'I was so happy' Up to 400 gather at the pagoda each day, often in a courtyard under colourful umbrellas to ward off the sun's rays, waiting for the chance to talk with and touch Than Sein. "I have never heard of anything like this, so I came to see him," 21-year-old housewife Thandar Win said. "If I was not married, then I too would want to become a man!" When word spread of Than Sein's transformation, locals raced to his home to see for themselves. Authorities, sensing a possible security hazard - and, perhaps, an opportunity - hastily arranged for him to be moved to the pagoda to accommodate more visitors. Than Sein appeared comfortable with the sudden attention in the new surroundings. Wearing a chequered longyi, the traditional Myanmar pants commonly worn by men, he sat on a rug in the pagoda's side building, flanked by his parents. "I was so happy," father Kyaw Htay, 46, said about his son's developments. "I wanted other sons so they could offer themselves as Buddhist monks, but I had only two daughters." Occasionally Than Sein stepped out to talk with excited visitors, who shook his hand, stroked his arm, and wished him well. As he waits for the final test results, Than Sein said he firmly believed he had been transformed, and would enter the monkhood for a period of time and seek spiritual contemplation and guidance before deciding whether to marry and raise a family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) Tonight, I will pray that I don't grow a vagina.... EDIT: After reading that her penis grew in place of the Clitoris, it is possible that the clitoris just grew. I read somewhere in one of my biology classes that the clitoris could grow large enought to be mistaken for a penis. Edited July 14, 2005 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:53 PM) Tonight, I will pray that I don't grow a vagina.... EDIT: After reading that her penis grew in place of the Clitoris, it is possible that the clitoris just grew. I read somewhere in one of my biology classes that the clitoris could grow large enought to be mistaken for a penis. Your bio recall is good – they are both derived from the same embryonic tissue. There are obvious structural differences, such as the urethra not travelling through the clitoris but lying next to it, and also the fact that there's something like 100x as many berve endings in the clitoris compared to the penis. Most of the cases of ambiguous genetalia at birth involve a clitoris that is so oversized it could be mistaken for a penis or a penis so underdeveloped that it could be a clitoris. Then there are true hermaphrodites as well who have both ovarian and testicular tissues and at least some of the appropriate apparatus to deliver the gametes produced by each. Often shortly after the birth of such intergender individuals, the reconstructive surgeons will consult with parents as to which way they want to construct near-normal genitalia and they will base their reccomendation on which sex organs is most complete or best developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I recall there being an island where this happens and there's a name for it that I believe translates "penis dropping at noon or midnight"? I think the girls are younger than 21 though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Jim.. how in the heck do you remember so many details about so many things at the drop of a hat..?? Nerd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:03 PM) Often shortly after the birth of such intergender individuals, the reconstructive surgeons will consult with parents as to which way they want to construct near-normal genitalia and they will base their reccomendation on which sex organs is most complete or best developed. Do you think it's best to let them decide when they're old enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) Hell yeah Steff. Jim get's props for that...althought I think he copy/pasted from WebMD.... Edited July 14, 2005 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Hell yeah Steff. Jim get's props for that...althought I think he copy/pasted from WebMD.... Did Not! Chalk it up to too many years either taking biology classes or teaching them. It's certainly not my subscription to nastyshemales.com... er, I mean... what's a she-male?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) the fact that there's something like 100x as many berve endings in the clitoris compared to the penis. QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) Jim.. how in the heck do you remember so many details about so many things at the drop of a hat..?? Nerd.. Steff, how could anyone ever forget that WONDERFUL little factoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) Steff, how could anyone ever forget that WONDERFUL little factoid? I dunno Soxy..... I think that many of the posters here likely don't even know what, or where, the clitoris is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Do you think it's best to let them decide when they're old enough? First off, that would be one confused kid... Secondly, usually some sort of corrective reconstruction is needed because the male and female genitalia is often not fully developed. I think some decisions are best left to the kids when they are old enough, but I don't think this is one of them. On the other hand, I do think that the plastic surgeon's reccomendations often are morn of expediency and not necessarily the right decisions. Knowing as much as we do now about male and female brains literally being wired differently, and about the physiology of secondery sex characteristics, I'd suggest it is best to do a karyotype of the kid and see what his/her chromosomes have to say about the true sexual identity. XX and the surgeons should do all they can to reconstruct female genitalia that look and function as well as possible (although very often the fix is cosmetic and the individual will not be able to bear children). XY and the docs do what they can to construct appropriate male genitalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) I dunno Soxy..... I think that many of the posters here likely don't even know what, or where, the clitoris is.. "I am the CLIT Commander" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) I dunno Soxy..... I think that many of the posters here likely don't even know what, or where, the clitoris is.. There's a big difference between not knowing and NOT CARING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:22 PM) There's a big difference between not knowing and NOT CARING! AMEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) There's a big difference between not knowing and NOT CARING! Tex... I'm referring to the 16 to 20 crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach23 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) I dunno Soxy..... I think that many of the posters here likely don't even know what, or where, the clitoris is.. Everyone knows about the Clitoris, it is a great bar down on Wacker. It is upstairs from the G-Spot club. The place is owned by a guy named Hyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(zach23 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 01:36 PM) Everyone knows about the Clitoris, it is a great bar down on Wacker. It is upstairs from the G-Spot club. The place is owned by a guy named Hyman. Are you sure? I thought Hymen went broke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach23 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Are you sure? I thought Hymen went broke? Maybe he owned the G-Spot club then, because a lot of people claim that place doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) There's a big difference between not knowing and NOT CARING! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Maybe this is another one of those "final miracles" Pope John Paul pulled off before he passed away??? Is he any closer to Sainthood now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 the real question is: is it pronounced CLIToris, or CliTORis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) the real question is: is it pronounced CLIToris, or CliTORis? CLIToris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) Tex... I'm referring to the 16 to 20 crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 03:49 PM) CLIToris that's what I thought, but you have heard people say cliTORis, haven't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) that's what I thought, but you have heard people say cliTORis, haven't you? Yes, and it drives me insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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