Shingo Takatsu Heading West???

[TLAK]

Sergio Santos just turned 22. He probably could be ready to play SS in the bigs in early 2006. That would be a good bargaining chip if the sox want to trade for a SS now [that would move Uribe to UTL] Here are his numbers coming into 05

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/sergio_santos.shtml

'05: 16 errors in 84 games.

[Guest JimH]

West Coast Teams, possibilities for Shingo:

 

I agree with the D-Backs being a potential destination, although they've fallen off lately.

 

San Diego: in first place, bullpen is their strength and it's stacked.

 

Angels: highly doubt the two teams would trade with one another

 

Dodgers: possibility, but they're slumping badly and are basically out of it.

 

Oakland: just made some deals to bolster their pitching.

 

Giants: very far out of it, but the two teams have been scouting one another.

 

Mariners: totally out of it, but the affinity for Asian players can't rule them out.

 

I would have to say the Diamondbacks.

[DBAHO]

sox drafted Zeringue out of high school -- but he signed with LSU.

 

They have always loved his bat.

 

He's only been a pro for a year and he's considered an excellent prospect.

That's definitely interesting on Zeringue, can't say many of us knew that about him. Definitely something to factor in if it's one of Arizona's prospects.

[DBAHO]

Another thing that just came to mind, I think if we acquired Santos, he's gonna be thrown in into a deal for Jason Schmidt and Omar Vizquel. If you think about it, the Giants get their future SS, who'll probably be ready next season, and the Sox don't have to give up Juan Uribe. Of course someone like Contreras or prospects are still going to have to be thrown in of course.

 

And getting Vizquel makes more sense considering the situation on Joe Crede's back. The Sox are going to need a real good utility guy, and Pablo Ozuna can only keep hitting over .300 for so long.

[Guest JimH]

The Sox are going to need a real good utility guy, and Pablo Ozuna can only keep hitting over .300 for so long.

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Also of note re: the D-Backs, Matt Kata is currently with Tucson AAA, he got some time with the D-Backs last year and can play 2B, SS, 3B. The article said top level prospect, which could mean high ceiling, or someone playing at a high minor league level like Kata.

[DBAHO]

Also of note re: the D-Backs, Matt Kata is currently with Tucson AAA, he got some time with the D-Backs last year and can play 2B, SS, 3B.  The article said top level prospect, which could mean high ceiling, or someone playing at a high minor league level like Kata.

Scott Hairston's another, IIRC he's hitting over .300 down in AAA as well.

[Spiff]

I don't see Takatsu being able to bring a top 5 prospect in return.

[maggsmaggs]

The prospect from the Shingo deal will most certainly be used in another deal, IMO, maybe Guardado or Wagner. I really don'y see Contreras being worse than Schmidt or Burnett numbers wise and certainly health wise. Our main concern is another bullpen arm.

 

If our starters pitch 6 innings, we have, 3 great lefties and 2 great righties to match up the rest of the game, not to mention Cotts is better against righties.

[Dick Allen]

I would hate to lose Shingo. This guy is rounding into form and the White Sox are going for a championship. There has to be another deal lined up where the Sox are going to be getting bullpen help, or this trade makes Mr. Zero sense. I just have a feeling Billy Wagner or Eddie Guardado will be wearing a White Sox uniform in the next couple of weeks with Hermanson sliding into a mostly set-up, sometimes closer role. Doesn't Shingo have a no-trade?

[Guest JimH]

I would hate to lose Shingo. This guy is rounding into form and the White Sox are going for a championship. There has to be another deal lined up where the Sox are going to be getting bullpen help, or this trade makes Mr. Zero sense. I just have a feeling Billy Wagner or Eddie Guardado will be wearing a White Sox uniform in the next couple of weeks with Hermanson sliding into a mostly set-up, sometimes closer role. Doesn't Shingo have a no-trade?

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I agree this is a precursor to another deal, the Sox need a swingman for one.

 

Or, as you suggest and I would prefer too, get a top notch guy and push everyone else down.

[upnorthsox]

I know everyone has this "Let's put all of our eggs into one basket" and go for it this season, but the Sox still need to look at their long - term interests. If a guy like Santos is acquired, it gives them some wiggle room to possibly move Uribe in a future deal if he doesn't increase his production. Sure Shingo has been pretty good lately, but he's replaceable, and he's not an important part of the bullpen and is hardly used in any important situations anymore with Politte, Cotts and Marte all ahead of him.

 

Baj has 1.11 ERA down at Charlotte in an extreme hitters park. He deserves a shot. Period.

 

 

The Sox have had 3 opportunities to bring Baj up and refused to do it, they're not going to trade someone now just to give him the opportunity.

[upnorthsox]

Personally I think this is a bunch of crap, you're not going to trade him unless it's part of a three-way for another reliever and Seattle has already said they're going to wait til the deadline to decide on Guardado and Philly seems in no rush to trade now either. The dumbest thing you can do is trade the guy for a prospect thinking you can turn that around later. Those are the teams who are always left holding the bag.

 

That said, I've always considered that Shingo might be part of a Guardado trade but my preference would be to send Viz instead. Shingo at least can be a righty specialist, Viz IMO brings nothing to the table for us at this point.

[AddisonStSox]

Well folks, here's a very logical possibility:

 

-Kenny Williams talks to GM A about trading for a bullpen arm--which, believe it or not, would be a very smart move for the Sox to make.

 

-GM A says, "although I'd like to make that move happen (for whatever reason) there is really no one in your farm system that either: a) wow's our franchise or b ) you'd be willing to trade for said bullpen arm."

 

-Kenny them asks what player GM A has been covetting and wants to know if he aquires this player via a trade of his own, will this GM make the deal happen.

 

I really think that's what's happening. Otherwise, why in the hell would you trade Shingo right now? He's struggling after suceeding with a year of smoke-and-mirrors, you know you won't re-sign him after this season, but, he's still capable of getting MLB players out and has nice chemistry with Iguchi and the rest of the clubhouse.

 

I have to think whomever we trade for will be sent out in another deal. In now way, shape, or form is Kenny going to trade Shingo for a piece of the future given our current position.

[beck72]

Personally I think this is a bunch of crap, you're not going to trade him unless it's part of a three-way for another reliever and Seattle has already said they're going to wait til the deadline to decide on Guardado and Philly seems in no rush to trade now either. The dumbest thing you can do is trade the guy for a prospect thinking you can turn that around later. Those are the teams who are always left holding the bag.

 

That said, I've always considered that Shingo might be part of a Guardado trade but my preference would be to send Viz instead. Shingo at least can be a righty specialist, Viz IMO brings nothing to the table for us at this point.

With KW no doubt in contact with other GM's about possible trades, he now knows what teams want and need from the sox. Trading Shingo and then getting a better reliever is certainly doable in an atmosphere like this.

 

Viz has done much better as of late. Keeping either Shingo or Viz comes down to different factors though: how it would affect team chemistry [hasn't Shingo been quiet/ keeps to himself?], who would throw better vs possible playoff opponents and specific players, who can throw more than an inning as a bridge reliever, etc.

[SnB]

shingo really is a waste of a spot in the bullpen. When he's struggling, which he has been this season, he's useless. We don't need 2 mop up guys (vizcy and shingo). Yes, this might ruin the chemistry with gooch, but i'm willing to take that chance if you can up the bullpen

[beck72]

West Coast Teams, possibilities for Shingo:

 

I agree with the D-Backs being a potential destination, although they've fallen off lately.

 

San Diego:  in first place, bullpen is their strength and it's stacked.

 

Angels:  highly doubt the two teams would trade with one another

 

Dodgers:  possibility, but they're slumping badly and are basically out of it.

 

Oakland:  just made some deals to bolster their pitching.

 

Giants:  very far out of it, but the two teams have been scouting one another.

 

Mariners:  totally out of it, but the affinity for Asian players can't rule them out.

 

I would have to say the Diamondbacks.

 

Esp w/ Shingo's contract, only a team that still thinks it's in it would deal for him. Like you said the Dbacks make sense, being only a few games back of SD.

[SnB]

Esp w/ Shingo's contract, only a team that still thinks it's in it would deal for him. Like you said the Dbacks make sense, being only a few games back of SD.

dbacks have been looking for BP help all season, i'm sure it's them.

[beck72]

'05: 16 errors in 84 games.

 

In the BA's Prospect Report, as the DBacks #2 prospect, it said Santos' bat could play anywhere, even if SS wasn't his position.

 

With Stephen Drew and Justin Upton, the DBacks might be set at SS [Drew in high A hitting .380 and probably could go to AA soon]

[Dick Allen]

shingo really is a waste of a spot in the bullpen.  When he's struggling, which he has been this season, he's useless.  We don't need 2 mop up guys (vizcy and shingo).  Yes, this might ruin the chemistry with gooch, but i'm willing to take that chance if you can up the bullpen

I disagree. Since the end of May Shingo has been pretty darn good. The only run he allowed in June was a homer in Colorado. He has given up some runs this month, but only when he was stretched beyond 1 inning, which was the time he gave up runs last year, and when some bizarre occurances happened in the field. He still gets over a strikeout an inning. Shingo, used 1 inning at a time, is still a pretty good pitcher. I know KW is going for the kill that's why I think if this trade occurs, its just a prelude to acquiring someone else. I will be dissappointed if its just simply picking Bobby Jenks over Shingo.

[Dick Allen]

After Quentin and Jackson, here are the D-Backs next 3 top prospects FWIW, splits and John Sickels pieces as shown;

Zeringue - .260/.301/.356, 52 K's, 13 BB's

Santos - .241/.301/.420, 67 K's, 26 BB's

Kroeger - .274/.332/.458, 65 K's, 24 BB's

 

My guess is that if it's going to be anyone of those 3, it'll be Mr. Santos, since if the Sox decide to keep the prospect, they'll want an infielder over an outfielder.

 

I was reading my Baseball Prospectus, and Santos is supposed to be horrible defensively. They actually liked his bat, but said he would have to make a position change.

[SnB]

I disagree. Since the end of May Shingo has been pretty darn good. The only run he allowed in June was a homer in Colorado. He has given up some runs this month, but only when he was stretched beyond 1 inning, which was the time he gave up runs last year, and when some bizarre occurances happened in the field. He still gets over a strikeout an inning. Shingo, used 1 inning at a time, is still a pretty good pitcher. I know KW is going for the kill that's why I think if this trade occurs, its just a prelude to acquiring someone else. I will be dissappointed if its just simply picking Bobby Jenks over Shingo.

i understand that he has been getting better, but ozzie seems to still be a little gunshy of putting him into a big situation, like most fans.

If we're only going to use him at mop-up right now and we can find a taker, fine by me.

[AddisonStSox]

i understand that he has been getting better, but ozzie seems to still be a little gunshy of putting him into a big situation, like most fans. 

If we're only going to use him at mop-up right now and we can find a taker, fine by me.

 

Well, if Kenny is able to turn Shingo into a guy like Eddie Guardado, I don't think we'll hear many questioning Shingo's ability to get guys out in pressure situations. A guy like Guardado is far, far, far more valuable to a pennant run than Shingo.

 

EDIT: By the way, I just looked at Guardado's numbers this year.

 

The guy has been lights-out this season. I mean, it really appears he is pitching like the Guardado that simply shut the Sox down for so many years.

 

...I'm starting to get excited.

Edited July 16, 2005 by AddisonStSox

[beck72]

I was reading my Baseball Prospectus, and Santos is supposed to be horrible defensively. They actually liked his bat, but said he would have to make a position change.

Say a deal went down with SF, he could play at 3B [they've wanted to get rid of Alfonzo for the longest time] or SS

[nitetrain8601]

This has to be a move for another bigger move. Jenks and Shingo could become best friends since Shingo throws a 55mph changeup and Jenks comes in with the 100mph FB. I don't think KW would give up Shingo(who's good friends with Iguchi) for something unproven this season unless this prospect was a grand prospect.

 

Hell, maybe he could be going to the Rangers and we're getting the Rangers 1B prospect(who I've heard is supposed to be good) so when we let go if PK(hopefully) we have some guy to take his spot.

 

I'm just throwing out ideas. With that said, I don't think a deal is going to be made. I'd be shocked.

[upnorthsox]

With KW no doubt in contact with other GM's about possible trades, he now knows what teams want and need from the sox. Trading Shingo and then getting a better reliever is certainly doable in an atmosphere like this.

 

Viz has done much better as of late. Keeping either Shingo or Viz comes down to different factors though: how it would affect team chemistry [hasn't Shingo been quiet/ keeps to himself?], who would throw better vs possible playoff opponents and specific players, who can throw more than an inning as a bridge reliever, etc.

 

Sure it's doable, but you don't pull the trigger unless the other deal is done at the same time. That was my point, and at this point I don't think the other deal is in place. That's why I think this rumor is just that, a rumor.

 

I didn't like the Viz pickup to begin with and he's given me no reason to change my mind. Maybe that's bias on my part but so be it.