southsideirish71 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) I wonder if JR & KW will start learning for this year's and last year's trading deadlines. Instead of trading loads of talent for good SPs midseason, maybe they'll sign one prior to the season next season... Then they BS'd everyone when they said the payroll this year was to give them the "flexibility" to go for it in June/July like they said at Soxfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) this is why I'd prefer not to say. If you want to email me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) Then they BS'd everyone when they said the payroll this year was to give them the "flexibility" to go for it in June/July like they said at Soxfest. Flexibility doesn't imply making an unnecessary trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Flexibility doesn't imply making an unnecessary trade. Unnecessary to win the divison maybe, to put us over the top maybe not. AJ Burnett and Lowell isnt a smart trade. Let some other fool over pay for that. AJ doesnt put us over the top or provide something necessary. I am not sold on Schmidt. What are our worries. Crede's health? Maybe pick up Randa as a backup for Crede. Or a utility guy who can provide a good stick and play good defense at 3rd if Crede has to go down. Insurance is key. If we didnt learn anything from last year. Bullpen, you need a stocked pen for the playoffs. Your starters are going on shorter rests and have a pitch count that they cant go over or they effect the next start. The bullpen is key. Adding a Wagner puts you over the top here. I am not for trades for trades sake, but if something can put us over or provide a need go for it. Edited July 18, 2005 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) this is why I'd prefer not to say. If you want to email me... No need to give names. People should just learn how to take words. If they don't want to believe you, then they don't believe you. No need to give them every detail. Next thing you know they're going to ask where you work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Unnecessary to win the divison maybe, to put us over the top maybe not. AJ Burnett and Lowell isnt a smart trade. Let some other fool over pay for that. AJ doesnt put us over the top or provide something necessary. I am not sold on Schmidt. What are our worries. Crede's health? Maybe pick up Randa as a backup for Crede. Or a utility guy who can provide a good stick and play good defense at 3rd if Crede has to go down. Insurance is key. If we didnt learn anything from last year. Bullpen, you need a stocked pen for the playoffs. Your starters are going on shorter rests and have a pitch count that they cant go over or they effect the next start. The bullpen is key. Adding a Wagner puts you over the top here. I am not for trades for trades sake, but if something can put us over or provide a need go for it. I agree. Burnett = Contreras. He's not really an upgrade and lots of FLA fans are happy knowing that they'll be getting rid of him. Wagner to me makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) I am not for trades for trades sake, but if something can put us over or provide a need go for it. Considering the market, there are plenty of players available for teams that could help them win a division or a wild card. Burnett is probably that player for the O's. The only player that really would put us over the top that is remotely close to obtainable is probably Roger Clemens. Even then, he most likely won't be traded as the Astros make a run at the NL Wild Card. When you look at the rosters of selling teams, probably the best guy out there is Wagner who isn't a significant upgrade (mostly since closer isn't a need position and we have several very good bullpen options), at least to the point where the World Series is a sure thing. A utility player most likely isn't going to make the difference between making the playoffs and wining the World Series, although you're right in that Randa helps the Sox by spelling Crede. Other than that, no available player is going to put us over the top. The difference making players are on contenders or are otherwise untradeable. When I commented that flexibility doesn't imply an unnecessary trade, I basically agree with you in your idea of what is a necessary and unnecessary trade. I was making the comment because some feel that AJ Burnett or a similar major player is a necessary trade and that not trading for him shows that JR isn't truly committed financially to this team. That's not true. It's just a reality that the difference makers in MLB aren't going to get traded during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Guys and gals, attendance is up, the money IS there. But no one is on the market worth trading for. This is the first year in I don't remember how long that there are basically few teams out of it... and therefore, teams are sitting on what they have. Guess what? That means EVERYONE is in the same boat. There will be a couple of deals, but this year, I don't think there are going to be any blockbusters - which means - I like the Sox chances because no one else improves all that much either. Why is this so hard to comprehend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 If we have money, let's spend it in the offseason and make this team a powerhouse for a decade instead of making useless trades right now I am in the camp now (before I wanted to make upgrades but seeing the market has me disappointed) that if we can get a stud 3B then get him....otherwise there is no need to be foolish. The other trade I would definitely consider is getting a Thome (giving up Paulie in return) .... Thome at the cell would be huge....he would be just awesome here (and I think his health issues are not that big of a deal) Let's sink or swim with this team otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Ya KW is really gonna go on the radio and say...yeah we've got a blockbuster in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Put away the tin foil hats fellows. Kenny Williams said he isn't doing anything, because there is nothing out there worth doing. Of course he isn't going to say that there is a big deal working, but he also wouldn't flat out deny it if it were actually happening. And everyone wants to point to the AJ thing, but at the time, we were going to get AJ. It took major campaigning by Hawk to open that door, and then it still took a while for Kenny to investigate AJ to his satisifaction before he would act on it. The deals that are on the table now are stupid. If there was a deal that would improve this team, KW would do it, and money isn't an object right now. But even with saying that, just because you have money in your pocket doesn't mean you go out and spend it stupidly. These guys also don't want this to be a one year thing, and trading away guys like McCarthy, Marte and Anderson for a middle of the road pitcher, that is not doing the future teams justice. There is a balance there. Our best hope is one of these teams that is holding onto desparation right now, finds a horrific two week slump and decides to meltdown at the last minute and we slip in the backdoor to pick up some guys (ala the white flag trade of 97 in reverse). Other than that this is the worst deadline trade market I have ever seen. I have never seen the teams looking to add players having to pay so much. In a wierd way it was a great year to have a bad first half, because veteran players are trading as such a premium right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 06:45 AM) Put away the tin foil hats fellows. Kenny Williams said he isn't doing anything, because there is nothing out there worth doing. Of course he isn't going to say that there is a big deal working, but he also wouldn't flat out deny it if it were actually happening. And everyone wants to point to the AJ thing, but at the time, we were going to get AJ. It took major campaigning by Hawk to open that door, and then it still took a while for Kenny to investigate AJ to his satisifaction before he would act on it. The deals that are on the table now are stupid. If there was a deal that would improve this team, KW would do it, and money isn't an object right now. But even with saying that, just because you have money in your pocket doesn't mean you go out and spend it stupidly. These guys also don't want this to be a one year thing, and trading away guys like McCarthy, Marte and Anderson for a middle of the road pitcher, that is not doing the future teams justice. There is a balance there. Our best hope is one of these teams that is holding onto desparation right now, finds a horrific two week slump and decides to meltdown at the last minute and we slip in the backdoor to pick up some guys (ala the white flag trade of 97 in reverse). Other than that this is the worst deadline trade market I have ever seen. I have never seen the teams looking to add players having to pay so much. In a wierd way it was a great year to have a bad first half, because veteran players are trading as such a premium right now. It does seem like prices for players that can help is high. We'll have to wait until the deadline to see how the market actually shakes out. I think part of the problem is other teams aren't enamoured with the White Sox prospects. We'll see. Guys will get traded. It will be interesting to see what the sellers actually get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I think KW means what he's saying, but I hope you guys are right and that he's blowing smoke. If he's serious and we make no moves, then I'm concerned. I see 2 or 3 teams that might give us problems in the post season. We'll learn a lot more about this Sox team in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 (edited) I thought this foil hat was pretty stylish though... Edited July 19, 2005 by EvilJester99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:47 AM) I think KW means what he's saying, but I hope you guys are right and that he's blowing smoke. If he's serious and we make no moves, then I'm concerned. I see 2 or 3 teams that might give us problems in the post season. We'll learn a lot more about this Sox team in August. We'll learn a lot about this Sox team this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I've seen a couple of reports that the Red Sox and Twins are working on a Mueller for Romero deal. Yet, KW says that AL teams are not willing to help the White Sox. Seems to me, the we might have the respect of the competition in the AL, if not the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) No need to give names. People should just learn how to take words. If they don't want to believe you, then they don't believe you. No need to give them every detail. Next thing you know they're going to ask where you work. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) We'll learn a lot about this Sox team this weekend. We'll learn a lot about 2 Sox teams this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) We'll learn a lot about 2 Sox teams this weekend. One of them are defending World Champs. Those questions have been answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:56 AM) I've seen a couple of reports that the Red Sox and Twins are working on a Mueller for Romero deal. Yet, KW says that AL teams are not willing to help the White Sox. Seems to me, the we might have the respect of the competition in the AL, if not the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network. I think it is more of a matter of how teams match up. The Twins always have a surplus in the pen, while the Red Sox have Kevin Youklis who is the next "thing" at 3B. I am sure if we were offering an equivilant pen pitcher (Marte or Cotts for example) that Boston would be talking to us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I am more concerned on the injury front. Hermy's back is scary. A couple more solid pen additions would be nice. Wagner or Everyday Eddie would go a long way and not disturb team chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:16 AM) I think it is more of a matter of how teams match up. The Twins always have a surplus in the pen, while the Red Sox have Kevin Youklis who is the next "thing" at 3B. I am sure if we were offering an equivilant pen pitcher (Marte or Cotts for example) that Boston would be talking to us too. No Dammit! They respect us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 KW not making a move?? He's flying under the radar. I think I know why he's not making a trade. Roberto Alomar isn't playing for a team in the majors, therefore we don't need to trade for him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Though KW keeps trying to get Carl Everett back as well, it just the GM refuses to call KW back..He can't figure out why that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) Though KW keeps trying to get Carl Everett back as well, it just the GM refuses to call KW back..He can't figure out why that is. Yeah Carl Everett, the guy with the 2nd most RBIs on the team... he really sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) Though KW keeps trying to get Carl Everett back as well, it just the GM refuses to call KW back..He can't figure out why that is. Can't figure out whats worse: your lame attempt of a joke, or your total lack of original material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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