aboz56 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 From this article: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...sox%2Dheadlines How did Sox general manager Ken Williams react to the report? "After I got done laughing," he said, "I felt no need to talk to [Manuel] about it because we've already talked about all the issues concerning the ballclub. So he doesn't have to listen to any reports or read any newspapers ... to know what's on my mind." Williams stuck by his pledge not to offer updates on Manuel's status. "Look at your notes from last year and you will see," he said. Last July Williams proclaimed that Manuel would not be fired in the 2002 season "or next [season]." He also said it would be his last ever so-called vote of confidence because the first time he didn't offer one, people would jump to conclusions. So does Williams' statement about "next [season]" still apply? "What I said [last year] is what I said," he said. -------- If this is the case, mail it in. Ridiculous, JM needs to go regardless of what KW said or what he didn't say. Hopefully JR steps over KW on this one and pulls the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 That's a complete joke, i can't believe you would say that and then stick by what you said LAST year without considering the present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 2, 2003 Author Share Posted May 2, 2003 Another perfect example of why KW sucks as a GM. There was no reason to even make this comment in the first place. You don't tell a guy he has nothing to worry about, it puts no pressure on him to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Where's the buffet tables when you need them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 ahh...... but jm is more of a jr boy than kw is.. and with eddie e back on the horn.. kw is really out on his own.. eddie doesnt care for kw much.............jm has backers at the top.... kw is left with the shark infested waters......lol lol lol lol............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 That's a complete joke, i can't believe you would say that and then stick by what you said LAST year without considering the present I think that is just KW's way of getting the media off of the subject. If the situation calls for it and he feels he has to get rid of JM, then he will. Some people just aren't ready to fire someone at the drop of a hat and are willing to look for other ways to right the ship. Again, it is the player's that aren't performing. You can criticize individual moves all you want, but it is easy to say he should have done this or should have done that after what he did do, didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I think that is just KW's way of getting the media off of the subject. If the situation calls for it and he feels he has to get rid of JM, then he will. Some people just aren't ready to fire someone at the drop of a hat and are willing to look for other ways to right the ship. Again, it is the player's that aren't performing. You can criticize individual moves all you want, but it is easy to say he should have done this or should have done that after what he did do, didn't work. If KW wanted to get the media off of it last year he could have said he's secure for that year...what need is there to make a point of saying he's safe next year too? Doesn't make much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I think that is just KW's way of getting the media off of the subject. If the situation calls for it and he feels he has to get rid of JM, then he will. Some people just aren't ready to fire someone at the drop of a hat and are willing to look for other ways to right the ship. Again, it is the player's that aren't performing. You can criticize individual moves all you want, but it is easy to say he should have done this or should have done that after what he did do, didn't work. Yes, but you know how it is,they cannot fire 25 players the Manager always goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 but theres those of us who dont like his moves before we find out they didnt work..............ala wells, ritchie (which i did like at the begining but then ate a ton of crow for later), clayton, lofton, not impressed with colon thus far (scars from wells fiasco), and didnt like the botch trade ...........all thus far have bombed or are on the verge of it... and i didnt like any of it from the get go............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I will repeadetly say I don't want Ken Williams fired. Unless Billy Beane wants to join up with the Sox, I'm happy with Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I will repeadetly say I don't want Ken Williams fired. Unless Billy Beane wants to join up with the Sox, I'm happy with Kenny. You, like KW, are in the minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I will repeadetly say I don't want Ken Williams fired. Unless Billy Beane wants to join up with the Sox, I'm happy with Kenny. butt smoocher.. you would be happy with him........... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I wish I was Kenny's assistant, cause if he was getting my insite be even more confident in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I like the Colon deal, Wells isn't as good as we like to belive but that trade still sucked. Clayton and Lofton we're lousy but who did we have that was better. Clayton is hitting this year and Lofton isn't any worse than Rowand. Williams has made many poor decisions(ACCENT ON THE BOTCH trade) but he does get blasted after the fact way more than before. Never do you deserve such criticism because you don't hide your thoughts on any moves before the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I think that is just KW's way of getting the media off of the subject. If the situation calls for it and he feels he has to get rid of JM, then he will. exactly. No good manager is going to do a sream of consciousness thinking with the media. If there is a two year plan that KW put into effect, then he sticks to the plan. Certainly if something blows up he can deviate, But sticking to a management plan has its merits - especially if you want to avoid a daily JM watch, which any GM wants because that distarcts the teram from the game. KW is doing exactly what is right from a management perspective. Far better than saying, "I am changing my mind daily on that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I wish I was Kenny's assistant, cause if he was getting my insite be even more confident in him. youd be too busy filling buffet tables and kissing his ass to do anything else...........lol maybe a spy triip or two to the locker room but thats about it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Yep, sticking to the plan is a good way to keep you out of trouble. Think of all the times people have wanted people gone. We wouldn't have Crede, wouldn't have Konerko, hell we probably wouldn't have Buehrle (He struggled his first two starts). In baseball timing has a huge effect and I still go by my theory, if you can play .500 baseball when you play like crap, then your a damn good team. This team is doing exactly that, and the funny thing is, if they played like crap and simply did some of the little things they would have 4 more wins at the least and thats without their bats clicking what-so-ever. Thats why I have optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I will repeadetly say I don't want Ken Williams fired. Unless Billy Beane wants to join up with the Sox, I'm happy with Kenny. I fully agree with you, Jason. KW has made the moves necessary to take this team to the next level. It's just that they've blown up in his face. He's not to blame for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I will repeadetly say I don't want Ken Williams fired. Unless Billy Beane wants to join up with the Sox, I'm happy with Kenny. I respect your baseball knowledge, appreciate your opinion, and admire your courage for being the chum in this feeding frenzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 youd be too busy filling buffet tables and kissing his ass to do anything else...........lol maybe a spy triip or two to the locker room but thats about it........ Is the buffett table thing in reference to him breaking one? And if I had to kiss a little ass to become assistant GM, them maybe, just maybe I can kiss some ass for the first time in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Is the buffett table thing in reference to him breaking one? And if I had to kiss a little ass to become assistant GM, them maybe, just maybe I can kiss some ass for the first time in my life. umm yeah the buffet table thing is in reference to his habbit of throwing them across the room fully loaded with food and calling everyone a bunch of mother f***ers...........lol...........as for the rest of it .. jas i think your a smart kid.. you can role model after someoen whos gonna be in the business for a while and kw isnt exactly the best one to model after............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 And just in case I ever need proof, here is what I wrote late last season in regards to KW. I've pretty much always stuck up for him, but I've ripped him when he's needed ripping, ie the Rithcie fiasco and I ripped that one from day one. KW - What will they say next year? Written in October 2002 Ken Williams has now been the White Sox General Manager for two seasons and for two seasons he's heard nothing but ridicule and blame. Fans blamed him for the 2000 team not getting better in 2001. Then they blamed him in 2002 for making the Todd Ritchie deal as well as the Ray Durham deal. Never do you hear, the good things that Ken Williams has done. Ya, most people snicker at this and go ya right, Ken Williams made a good move. Well folks, he has made multiple good moves and has the White Sox positioned to be a very exciting team next year. If you take a look at next year's projected lineup you will notice many names that were there when Ken Williams took over. Names such as Paul Konerko, Magglio Ordonez, Mark Buehrle, Jose Valentin, Carlos Lee, and Keith Foulke. Those players have played key roles for the White Sox, but they won't win anything on their own, as proven this year. Next year's White Sox will have to count on a cast of youngsters like D'Angelo Jimenez, Willie Harris, Joe Crede, Miguel Olivo, and Damaso Marte. Other youngsters like Jon Rauch, Joe Valentine, Edwin Almonte and Joe Borchard may also get a shot to help the 2003 White Sox. What do all these youngsters have in common? Well they were all Ken William's acquisitions or players that were drafted on the recommendation of Ken Williams when he was the White Sox Minor League Director. My question to you is what will people be saying about Ken Williams next year, when the White Sox are playing with a very complete lineup thanks largely to Ken Williams. Williams went out and acquired D'Angelo Jimenez via trade to fill our void at shortstop. It looks as if he will be playing second base next year and not short, but Jimenez will be leading off, taking part in a very key role with the club. Another Williams acquisition Willie Harris was a guy the Sox expected to fill the leadoff slot, but his recent struggles have brought up questions, but one thing that the Sox are confident in is the fact that Harris at worse can be a very effective role player. The Sox will also count on 24-year old catching prospect Miguel Olivo, who was another prospect that Williams acquired via trade, a move that was ripped at times. Olivo now appears to be one of the top catching prospects in baseball and should be able to fill the void the Sox have had since the days of Carlton Fisk. Damaso Marte, the Sox current closer, was another guy that Williams went out and acquired. Many people, including myself doubted this move because we gave up Matt Guerrier, a top pitching prospects at the time. Instead it is the Pirates who now doubt this move as Marte has developed into an exceptional reliever that has excelled since entering the closers role. Marte played a huge part on this year's club and the Sox will expect more of the same out of Damaso next year. Joe Crede rounds-out the group of prospects as the one player Ken Williams didn't draft, nor did he acquire in a trade. However, Ken Williams did scout Crede and gave his scouts advice on shortening his swing and helping him with his approach at the plate. Since then Crede has been a hitting machine, hitting for power and to all parts of the field. Crede isn't a strikeout hitter and has made the jump to the majors with ease. Crede already has 12 homer's and 35 rbi's in just 50 games. The White Sox will look for Crede to develop into a good middle of the lineup hitter to make their already potent offense even better. If these players all produce and do what they've done in their short stint with the White Sox, then this team has the possibility of fielding a better team then 2000. Of course the wild card of this whole situation is the pitching staff, which won't be effected too much by Ken Williams and his drafting, although he claims he will make a push at a "front line starting pitcher". Jon Rauch is the one prospect who could make an immediate contribution to the starting rotation, although many believe the Sox will take it slow with him, giving him a little more time in AAA. Rauch is coming off of a strong start where he threw seven innings giving up just 1 run. Joe Valentine and Edwin Almonte could contribute to the White Sox bullpen. Both pitchers have excelled since joining the White Sox system and have dominated as closers in their respected leagues. Valentine is the more touted of the two, but both have put up brilliant numbers in the minors and are here because of Ken Williams, just like all those other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I don't see how anyone can criticize Williams for his comments on the JM situation. What he basically said, in a long winded way, was "no comment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Jas, after going to Soxfest and listening to KW speak on how he wants to Gm this team, I think I am in his court also (and joining you on the lonely side of the fence) One thing he has proven is that he is not afraid to pull the trigger on a deal that he thinks will make this team better. Many GM's get too attached to players or are afraid to stick there necks on line. KW said at Soxfest that any GM can make the safe moves that will result in average seasons. He said that he wants to give this team every chance to win with the budget he has, and you can see he means it with the way he does his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I don't see how anyone can criticize Williams for his comments on the JM situation. What he basically said, in a long winded way, was "no comment". you said that shorter than I did - and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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