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[DBAHO]

EXACTLY! He has done nothing to help them. They still suck.

Trade Morse for Alex Rodriguez. Would they be above .500?

[SoxFan1]

McCarthy would have been in the top 15-20 prospects of baseball at the end of last season, and he had the most K's in all of the minors last season IIRC. How can his stock be higher now than at the end of ST?

So what the hell is your stance?????

[DBAHO]

EXACTLY! No f***ing pressure and he strived. Then, he blew ass in he minors and blew ass in the bigs. It was still the whole damn Rangers line up!

How many players have performed well in Spring Training and have then gone on to do nothing else in their MLB career?

[SoxFan1]

Trade Morse for Alex Rodriguez. Would they be above .500?

:headshake Oh my f***ing god. How does that backup your point? It's not gonna happen so why even make that example? And yes, there team would be better.

[fathom]

McCarthy would have been in the top 15-20 prospects of baseball at the end of last season, and he had the most K's in all of the minors last season IIRC. How can his stock be higher now than at the end of ST?

 

No, I mean that the longer he struggles in AAA, the more his stock will decrease. McCarthy was not rated among the top 20 prospects in baseball after last season.

[SoxFan1]

How many players have performed well in Spring Training and have then gone on to do nothing else in their MLB career?

24,468...... :headshake

[DBAHO]

So what the hell is your stance?????

To keep him of course.

[SoxFan1]

I'm not one to compare trades normally, but the White Sox were desperate to find a starter at that point.  There is no desperation here...we are 13 games ahead and still have one of the best number 4 starters in the league.  Freddy also was having a good year to that point unlike Schmidt.  Also, every player that we sent to Seattle is still relatively young and Reed could be an all-star in the next couple years very easily.

So your saying "f*** being succesful now. Let's not upgrade. Besides, this is the year, if any, that we could go deep in the playoffs. Let's wait for a questionable pither to pan out and see how he does in 2 or 3 years and hope we do well then!"

 

:headshake

[JohnStamos]

EXACTLY! No f***ing pressure and he strived. Then, he blew ass in he minors and blew ass in the bigs. It was still the whole damn Rangers line up!

 

If McCarthy is on, he can be lights out (like in ST). But he is not nearly consistent enough to start in the majors right now. In a few years, he will be but you cannot ask him to go from A to the majors in one year.

[DBAHO]

No, I mean that the longer he struggles in AAA, the more his stock will decrease.  McCarthy was not rated among the top 20 prospects in baseball after last season.

Here we go;

 

13) Brandon McCarthy, Chicago White Sox

Position: Starter | Throws: Right | DOB: 7/7/1983 | Career Stats

YEAR  LVL      G  GS        IP      ERA    H  HR      SO  BB

2002    R  14  14      78.1  2.76      78      6      79  15

2003    R  16  15  101.0  3.65  105      7  125  15

2004    A  15  15      94.0  3.64      80  10  113  21

        A      8      8      52.0  2.08      31      3      60      3

          AA      4      4      26.0  3.46      23      2      29      6

A 17th-round pick out of a community college back in 2002, Brandon McCarthy went 13-8 with a 3.26 ERA and 204-to-30 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 179.1 innings between two levels of rookie-ball during his first two years as a pro. He moved up to low Single-A Kannapolis to start last season and had a 3.64 ERA and 113-to-21 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 94 innings, before going 6-0 with a 2.08 ERA and 60-to-3 (yes, 60-to-3) strikeout-to-walk ratio in eight starts at high Single-A Winston-Salem. McCarthy put the finishing touches on his breakout season by going 3-1 with a 3.46 ERA and 29-to-6 strikeout-to-walk ratio in four starts at Double-A Birmingham.

 

McCarthy is sort of like a slightly suped up version of Petit, with a frame (McCarthy is 6'7" and 190 lbs.) and stuff that more closely matches his similarly ridiculous numbers Like Petit, McCarthy spent the bulk of last season in Single-A, before making a brief stop at Double-A to finish the year. Take a look at how their incredible 2004 numbers compare:

                  IP      ERA      SO  BB  SO/9  BB/9  SO/BB  OAVG

McCarthy    172.0  3.14  202  30  10.6      1.6      6.73  .216

Petit          139.1  2.20  200  41  12.9      2.6      4.88  .172

Petit is a little over a year younger than McCarthy, he had a lower ERA, a higher strikeout rate, and held opponents to a lower batting average. McCarthy went deeper into games, threw more innings, had better control, and his strikeout-to-walk ratio was even more insane than Petit's. In the end, I'm putting McCarthy just ahead of Petit because I think he's more polished at this point and closer to the majors. With the way Ozzie Guillen and the rest of the White Sox have been talking McCarthy up this spring, he could be in Chicago to stay very soon. My only real concern right now is that he gives up a fair number of homers (15 in 172 innings last year) and U.S. Cellular Field is a launching pad.

[fathom]

If we're going to trade McCarthy, it has to be for a star player who will help us not only this year, but in the future. Schmidt is what I would classify as a star pitcher, and we'd have his option for next season. Our offense will likely be relatively cheap next season if we don't resign PK. We should be able to afford the 4 stud pitchers then. It's not like Contreras is a cheap number 4 pitcher.

[DBAHO]

24,468...... :headshake

And you're saying Brandon McCarthy is probably going to join them on evidence of what he's done so far this year?

[SoxFan1]

If McCarthy is on, he can be lights out (like in ST).  But he is not nearly consistent enough to start in the majors right now.  In a few years, he will be but you cannot ask him to go from A to the majors in one year.

So, what? He is a Spring Training pitcher? Can you guarantee me that he will be consistent in the future? He is highly overrated IMO. He has a great Spring Training and all of the sudden, he is the best Sox prospect ever!

[fathom]

Here we go; 

 

What publication is this from? I just know what I heard from my neutral MLB scouts, and they were never as high on McCarthy as everyone was on here (which makes sense, of course).

[DBAHO]

If we're going to trade McCarthy, it has to be for a star player who will help us not only this year, but in the future.  Schmidt is what I would classify as a star pitcher, and we'd have his option for next season.  Our offense will likely be relatively cheap next season if we don't resign PK.  We should be able to afford the 4 stud pitchers then.  It's not like Contreras is a cheap number 4 pitcher.

It depends how much payroll KW wants to be locked up in our rotation. It could reach up to 40-50%.

[SoxFan1]

And you're saying Brandon McCarthy is probably going to join them on evidence of what he's done so far this year?

Who's to say that he might not? What has he done to prove he will be successful?

[DBAHO]

So, what? He is a Spring Training pitcher? Can you guarantee me that he will be consistent in the future? He is highly overrated IMO. He has a great Spring Training and all of the sudden, he is the best Sox prospect ever!

He was the #1 prospect going INTO Spring Training. If you saw the numbers he put up last year of course you would have been excited about him, because he's still very young for an excellent SP prospect.

[Kalapse]

So, what? He is a Spring Training pitcher? Can you guarantee me that he will be consistent in the future? He is highly overrated IMO. He has a great Spring Training and all of the sudden, he is the best Sox prospect ever!

Did you see his K to BB ratio in the minors? Did you see how many strikeouts he had? Did you see his ERA? Have you ever looked at his stats? Do you even know who he is?

 

He is not overrated. It was not just 1 spring training, it was 2 years in the minors. You have now lost all credibility, not that you had any to begin with.

[fathom]

This quote in tomorrow's Tribune tells me all I need to know:

 

"I feel comfortable going to the playoffs with Garland, El Duque (Orlando Hernandez), Freddy (Garcia) and (Mark) Buehrle. That's a good enough [rotation] for our guys to contend."

 

Ozzie doesn't like Contreras.

[DBAHO]

Who's to say that he might not? What has he done to prove he will be successful?

This is his FIRST season above AA ball. At least give him a few seasons to see how he performs before completely writing him off. You don't think last year's numbers said he was not going to be successful some day?

[SoxFan1]

Did you see his K to BB ratio in the minors? Did you see how many strikeouts he had? Did you see his ERA? Have you ever looked at his stats? Do you even know who he is?

 

He is not overrated. It was not just 1 spring training, it was 2 years in the minors. You have now lost all credibility, not that you had any to begin with.

Oh, because what you presented in that post offered so much to that argument...

[Big Hurtin]

Look at last year's Freddy Garcia trade. We were all screaming about how Olivo/Morse/Reed was such a steep price and how Reed would be an All-Star type player and that Olivo will be a great catcher. Look how it turned out. Olivo got sent down. Reed has been good but not great. Morse has been hitting well I guess but to no success rate to the team.

 

That's not fair to compare that deal. They didn't have the CHEMISTRY this team has.

[DBAHO]

This quote in tomorrow's Tribune tells me all I need to know:

 

"I feel comfortable going to the playoffs with Garland, El Duque (Orlando Hernandez), Freddy (Garcia) and (Mark) Buehrle. That's a good enough [rotation] for our guys to contend."

 

Ozzie doesn't like Contreras.

Reading the rumors tonight, it seems KW is offering him in every package for a SP like you said. Not that I agree with it, but it's what they're doing.

[fathom]

Did you see his K to BB ratio in the minors? Did you see how many strikeouts he had? Did you see his ERA? Have you ever looked at his stats? Do you even know who he is?

 

He is not overrated. It was not just 1 spring training, it was 2 years in the minors. You have now lost all credibility, not that you had any to begin with.

 

I could care less about credibility, but right now, McCarthy is overrated. Doesn't mean he'll always be overrated, but in his stint with the Sox this year, he underachieved.

[Kalapse]

Oh, because what you presented in that post offered so much to that argument...

Yes, go look at his numbers from 2003 and 2004 in the minors and tell me he's underrated. When you pitch that well and dominate like he did you deserve to be touted as a major prospect.