The Ginger Kid Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 All we're hearing from KW and Ozzie is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds good on the surface. But in reality if the Sox were in a dogfight with the Twins they'd be far more aggressive and willing to add to this team, even if it cost some clubhouse favorites their ticket out of town. But they're not in a dogfight, so what's the point, right? Does that mean you don't look to improve? In terms of importance, does chemistry trump talent? Is this 12 game lead over the Twins keeping the Sox from improving the talent on their roster for fear of guys not getting along? In the league standings the Sox are 7 games up on the Angels. A bit more sobering and certainly worth watching when home field means so much. Boston won the WS last year and they're starting to make some moves. The Sox haven't won squat and they're standing pat? I don't like it. Who's to say a radical move like trading favorites like a Rowand or even a Konerko might not work out? Would you rather have Jermaine Dye or Ken Griffey Jr.? There's too much fear of messing up a good thing instead of thinking of making a good thing better. A great thing, even. I'm not saying I don't like a 12 game lead. Make it 20! This isn't about just beating the Twins. Or is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 The downside to being 12 games up is that we were 13 games up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I have complete and total faith in Kenny. If there's something out there that makes sense, I believe he'll go for it. He's not gonna make a move just to make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) All we're hearing from KW and Ozzie is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds good on the surface. But in reality if the Sox were in a dogfight with the Twins they'd be far more aggressive and willing to add to this team, even if it cost some clubhouse favorites their ticket out of town. But they're not in a dogfight, so what's the point, right? Does that mean you don't look to improve? In terms of importance, does chemistry trump talent? Is this 12 game lead over the Twins keeping the Sox from improving the talent on their roster for fear of guys not getting along? In the league standings the Sox are 7 games up on the Angels. A bit more sobering and certainly worth watching when home field means so much. Boston won the WS last year and they're starting to make some moves. The Sox haven't won squat and they're standing pat? I don't like it. Who's to say a radical move like trading favorites like a Rowand or even a Konerko might not work out? Would you rather have Jermaine Dye or Ken Griffey Jr.? There's too much fear of messing up a good thing instead of thinking of making a good thing better. A great thing, even. I'm not saying I don't like a 12 game lead. Make it 20! This isn't about just beating the Twins. Or is it? Man...it's one negative post after another with you. Let's completely revamp the line-up, eh? Trade three starters for who?? Who will take them?? Have you thought that through?? Where will you trade Pual, what will you get in return? Same with Aaron...Jermaine... Now, the propects you will trade away, also... There is an old saying. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. Your posts have been nothing but complaints and nitpicking against the team with the best record in the Majors. Come up with realistic solutions, if you are so concerned. ESPN recently did a feature on blockbuster trades at the deadline. The majority that went on to the World Series and won did NOT make a blockbuster trade. Yes, they made tiny trades to bolster a bullpen or bench. But not to the degree you suggest. Boston last year was an exception, not the rule. Might I suggest easing up on the fantasy baseball mentality when approaching this team. In Fantasy baseball you can trade half your team to another team...because it's a fantasy. There is soemthing to be said about chemistry. It's not a major cog in the wheel, but it helps. Just some advice...Enjoy this team. We may never have another season like this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAFTR Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 01:31 AM) Would you rather have Jermaine Dye or Ken Griffey Jr.? Ken Griffey: 35 yrs old, $10+ mil, 20 hrs, .287/.365/.540 - .905 OPS Jermaine Dye: 31 yrs old, $4 mil, 19 hrs, .263/.328/.510 - .838 OPS Who is better? Probably Griffey. Is he worth $6 mil more and the players/prospects we would have to trade? Not a chance. Griffey is just a name that people are getting crazy over. He isn't anyone we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I'm comfortable taking this *team* into the playoffs. We will not match up player by player with the Yankees or Red Sox. A-Rod v. Crede? Jeter or Uribe? It will be a team effort and this group of players have so far demonstrated teamwork. I also see some guys in AAA that will give a boost down the stretch and allow starters to rest and to get the starting rotation set. The key will be to arrive in the playoffs healthy and rested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 The DOWNSIDE of being 12 games up??? Are you kidding me??? THIS IS THE BEST TEAM THE SOUTHSIDE HAS EVER SEEN AT THIS STAGE OF A SEASON. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE!!!! Quit waiting for the skies to fall and enjoy it!!! What is wrong with people? The Chicago White Sox have been in exsistance for 105 years and have NEVER been better, and people are perpetually stress about what is WRONG with this team. You are missing the boat on this one. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 07:45 AM) The DOWNSIDE of being 12 games up??? Are you kidding me??? THIS IS THE BEST TEAM THE SOUTHSIDE HAS EVER SEEN AT THIS STAGE OF A SEASON. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE!!!! Quit waiting for the skies to fall and enjoy it!!! What is wrong with people? The Chicago White Sox have been in exsistance for 105 years and have NEVER been better, and people are perpetually stress about what is WRONG with this team. You are missing the boat on this one. :headshake That is such a Cub fan attitude, don't worry, be happy. Here is a little song I wrote You might want to sing it note for note Don't worry be happy In every life we have some trouble When you worry you make it double Don't worry, be happy... Ain't got no place to lay your head Somebody came and took your bed Don't worry, be happy The land lord say your rent is late He may have to litigate Don't worry, be happy Look at me I am happy Don't worry, be happy Here I give you my phone number When you worry, call me I make you happy Don't worry, be happy Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style Ain't got no girl to make you smile But don't worry be happy Cause when you worry Your face will frown And that will bring everybody down So don't worry, be happy (now)... There is this little song I wrote I hope you learn it note for note Like good little children Don't worry, be happy Listen to what I say In your life expect some trouble But when you worry You make it double Don't worry, be happy... Don't worry don't do it, be happy Put a smile on your face Don't bring everybody down like this Don't worry, it will soon pass Whatever it is Don't worry, be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 07:45 AM) The DOWNSIDE of being 12 games up??? Are you kidding me??? THIS IS THE BEST TEAM THE SOUTHSIDE HAS EVER SEEN AT THIS STAGE OF A SEASON. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE!!!! Quit waiting for the skies to fall and enjoy it!!! What is wrong with people? The Chicago White Sox have been in exsistance for 105 years and have NEVER been better, and people are perpetually stress about what is WRONG with this team. You are missing the boat on this one. :headshake Preach on, Brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:12 AM) Preach on, Brother! he's your brother?! that explains how you became a moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) he's your brother?! that explains how you became a moderator It's good to have connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) he's your brother?! that explains how you became a moderator Oh boy.. another pair of white pants stained with coffee.. LMAO Tex.. you and Jim have my sides hurting the past 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) he's your brother?! that explains how you became a moderator Brothers and cousins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) Brothers and cousins You in Indiana and him in Kentucky, why am I not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) Oh boy.. another pair of white pants stained with coffee.. LMAO Tex.. you and Jim have my sides hurting the past 2 days. spill a little mountain dew and really give the office something to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Like the post whore said (), there isn't any PROBLEM to being 12 games up. Enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) Brothers and cousins Kissin cousins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 The Sox lost last night? And the Twins won? OH MY GOD! SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET TRADED FOR SOMEONE ELSE! HEADS NEED TO ROLL! SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO.......SOMETHING!! THIS IS BAD PEOPLE! NOT BAD LIKE IM NAKED AT SCHOOL IN MY DREAM BAD, BUT MORE LIKE I AM NAKED AT AN ALL MALE-SCHOOL IN MY DREAM BAD. THATS REALLY BAD PEOPLE. IF THE WHITE SOX DONT TRADE JERMAINE DYE AND AARON ROWAND AND BRANDON MCCARTHY FOR KEN GRIFFEY JR STRAIGHT UP, THEN IT WILL GET WORSE! PLEASE, SOMEONE DO SOMETHING! A 5 GAME WIN STREAK TO START THE SECOND HALF AND A 12 GAME LEAD OVER THE TWINS ISNT ENOUGH. ITS TIME TO PANIC PEOPLE! (If you wish, imagine the above statement in green. I dont think it is necassary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 01:31 AM) All we're hearing from KW and Ozzie is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds good on the surface. But in reality if the Sox were in a dogfight with the Twins they'd be far more aggressive and willing to add to this team, even if it cost some clubhouse favorites their ticket out of town. But they're not in a dogfight, so what's the point, right? Does that mean you don't look to improve? In terms of importance, does chemistry trump talent? Is this 12 game lead over the Twins keeping the Sox from improving the talent on their roster for fear of guys not getting along? In the league standings the Sox are 7 games up on the Angels. A bit more sobering and certainly worth watching when home field means so much. Boston won the WS last year and they're starting to make some moves. The Sox haven't won squat and they're standing pat? I don't like it. Who's to say a radical move like trading favorites like a Rowand or even a Konerko might not work out? Would you rather have Jermaine Dye or Ken Griffey Jr.? There's too much fear of messing up a good thing instead of thinking of making a good thing better. A great thing, even. I'm not saying I don't like a 12 game lead. Make it 20! This isn't about just beating the Twins. Or is it? C'mon man, don't you know the goal is just to stay 'competitive'? How dare you look beyond yesterday to what should be every team's goal: to win the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 There's no downside to being 12 games up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 This team could win the WS as is. It could lose in the first round as is. We don't know, but we better hope like hell that KW does. If we win it all, nobody will complain about anything that we do/did. But if we lose, a lot of people will be here to say that we should have done something...and in that case, they'll be right. My point is that none of us know what's going on. We don't know that we need a trade, but we don't know that we do n.o.t. need anything. Someone says we need a trade, that person gets berated. Someone says we should stand pat, that person gets berated. Nobody knows, so maybe we should all get off of our high horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ^^ Irony.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 09:33 AM) This team could win the WS as is. It could lose in the first round as is. We don't know, but we better hope like hell that KW does. If we win it all, nobody will complain about anything that we do/did. But if we lose, a lot of people will be here to say that we should have done something...and in that case, they'll be right. My point is that none of us know what's going on. We don't know that we need a trade, but we don't know that we do n.o.t. need anything. Someone says we need a trade, that person gets berated. Someone says we should stand pat, that person gets berated. Nobody knows, so maybe we should all get off of our high horses. I like the view from up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Sorry pards, we ain't got no low horses here in Texas . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:33 AM) But if we lose, a lot of people will be here to say that we should have done something...and in that case, they'll be right. But if we lose and we did something (for hypothetical purposes, say we obtain one of Guardado, Wagner, Griffey, Schmidt, or Burnett), then what? People will say we shouldn't have done something? Clearly he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I know we all want to win the WS really bad, but I don't know if that's should be the basis for judging KWs deadline moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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