rangercal Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 What is going on? I know we are above avg as far as our farm system goes. What is going on? It sounds as if teams only want guys from our mlb roster. When will these teams give up? Im talking Cincinatti, Seattle, SF, Philly, Florida ect. I feel we have enough to get 1 big bat, 1 top starter, and a closer. From our farm alone! I can't see it hurting chemistry too much. These players taking the place of Timo, Jenks , and maybe contreras. If sending Shingo down does not hurt chemistry I can't see why trading for upgrades will. Do teams not want these guys? Is Kenny not willing to deal them? What is going on? Understand I value prospects and expect major HELP in return. I'm sorry for the vent. I know a lot of you can relate with me. I don't want to take any chances. I want to win the world series. I just don't want to look back and wonder what if we made a splash during mid season. We have a lot of guys in our farm who should get a lot in return. I did hear JR say adding salary would not be a problem. We can still upgrade our team. It does not have to be everyday starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 The teams who are willing to trade are so few that the prices are insane to get a player. Read what the Marlins and Giants wanted for Burnett and Schmidt and tell me how it is worth it. We would be losing multiple starting players for fewer starting players, which isn't what we are looking to do now. We are looking to add a player without disrupting the 25 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 You said "What is going on?" 3 times. Kind of overkill. Look at the O's - Marlins trade. The Marlins are supposidly giving up two ML players (Burnett, Lowell) and gaining 4 ML players (Larry Bigbie, Jorge Julio, Steve Reed and Steve Kline) only one minor leaguer in the trade going to the Marlins (Hayden Penn). Teams still want to contend this year and next (FLA, SFG, PHI) so if they're going to give up ML talent they want ML talent in return so they can still contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) You said "What is going on?" 3 times. Kind of overkill. Look at the O's - Marlins trade. The Marlins are supposidly giving up two ML players (Burnett, Lowell) and gaining 4 ML players (Larry Bigbie, Jorge Julio, Steve Reed and Steve Kline) only one minor leaguer in the trade going to the Marlins (Hayden Penn). Teams still want to contend this year and next (FLA, SFG, PHI) so if they're going to give up ML talent they want ML talent in return so they can still contend. Whats going on? you are mocking me!!!! It is a vent LAY OFF! My point is... do we not have enough in our farm to get major help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Whats going on? you are mocking me!!!! It is a vent LAY OFF! My point is... do we not have enough in our farm to get major help? The teams that have usuable parts for us don't want minor leaguers... They want major leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Whats going on? you are mocking me!!!! It is a vent LAY OFF! My point is... do we not have enough in our farm to get major help? We do have enough, it's just the teams that are willing to trade right now are still looking to win in the near future and minor league players don't necessarily help them achieve that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Here's the deal, half the teams in baseball think they're still in it. Everyone is chasing the same 4 players. I don't think the asking price for these guys will come down. It's comical to me that teams who have a #3 starter available are asking for 2 guys they can plug into their rotation in return. It's like, sure we'll give you Garland and Contreras for Schmidt, uh huh, yeah, of course we will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) The teams who are willing to trade are so few that the prices are insane to get a player. Read what the Marlins and Giants wanted for Burnett and Schmidt and tell me how it is worth it. We would be losing multiple starting players for fewer starting players, which isn't what we are looking to do now. We are looking to add a player without disrupting the 25 man roster. Do you think our prospects will be enough to pull a major trade with these "playoff contenders" as we get closer to July 31? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Here's the deal, half the teams in baseball think they're still in it. Everyone is chasing the same 4 players. I don't think the asking price for these guys will come down. It's comical to me that teams who have a #3 starter available are asking for 2 guys they can plug into their rotation in return. It's like, sure we'll give you Garland and Contreras for Schmidt, uh huh, yeah, of course we will. It's so ridiculous :headshake and frustrating. I guess these days its bad PR if you throw in the towel at the trade deadline (even if you are under .500) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Do you think our prospects will be enough to pull a major trade with these "playoff contenders" as we get closer to July 31? To be quite honest, but the law of averages I think at least one or two teams will hit the skids in the next two weeks and decide to sell off at the last minute. I think they will also be looking at the valuations of players on the exsisting markets and think that they can get a good return for their guys so it is worth it to take it on the chin for two months. Watch for the teams that are at, or just below, .500 now and watch what they do for the next week to ten days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 There's plenty in the farm to trade it's just whether or not it's worth it. There isn't a whole lot of weaknesses on this team and there is no reason to overpay for anything when you're the best team in baseball and have a great team assembled as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Here's the deal, half the teams in baseball think they're still in it. Everyone is chasing the same 4 players. I don't think the asking price for these guys will come down. It's comical to me that teams who have a #3 starter available are asking for 2 guys they can plug into their rotation in return. It's like, sure we'll give you Garland and Contreras for Schmidt, uh huh, yeah, of course we will. Exactly. A deadline deal is supposed to add a stud with minimal impact on your 25 man roster, if you are a contender. This year is just the opposite. We would be hurting ourselves both this year and in the future if we did any of the rumored big name trades that are out there right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 shouldnt this be moved to "the inside beat"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:38 AM) Exactly. A deadline deal is supposed to add a stud with minimal impact on your 25 man roster, if you are a contender. This year is just the opposite. We would be hurting ourselves both this year and in the future if we did any of the rumored big name trades that are out there right now. Eh.. screw it. Just trade them all. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Paz Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 If you want to know why teams are reluctant to throw in the towel, you need look no further than what happened to the White Sox after they made the "white flag trade". Despite the fact the our team sucked ass and was playing corpse ball, we were "only six games out" or some stupid s*** like that. Even though we had no chance of doing anything, and even though we got some damn good players for some players who would have walked at the end of the season, Sox management was raked over the coals for years and is only now recovering the attendance that was lost in a large part due to the bad publicity from that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Carlo Paz @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) If you want to know why teams are reluctant to throw in the towel, you need look no further than what happened to the White Sox after they made the "white flag trade". Despite the fact the our team sucked ass and was playing corpse ball, we were "only six games out" or some stupid s*** like that. Even though we had no chance of doing anything, and even though we got some damn good players for some players who would have walked at the end of the season, Sox management was raked over the coals for years and is only now recovering the attendance that was lost in a large part due to the bad publicity from that trade. I think it was only 3.5 games out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(DABearSoX @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) I think it was only 3.5 games out..... Details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) Eh.. screw it. Just trade them all. :rolly Now that's just ridiculous. Everyone knows a better option is to stay put, plan for the fututre and hope and pray other teams collapse in the playoffs. If we fail in the playoffs, well heck at least we didn't sell the farm and can be 'competitive' for the next few years. Besides, the Cubs won't win it this year either, so it won't be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I think another problem with the White Sox making a deadline deal is I don't think what's in the Sox farm system is highly coveted. There are players there who have a chance at becoming good major leaguers, but there is nothing close to a "can't miss" prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) I think another problem with the White Sox making a deadline deal is I don't think what's in the Sox farm system is highly coveted. There are players there who have a chance at becoming good major leaguers, but there is nothing close to a "can't miss" prospect. But for the most part at this time those "can't miss" spects won't be moved, unless of course you're the Mets who trade Scott Kazmir but for the most part you'll see those guys held onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Here's the deal, half the teams in baseball think they're still in it. Everyone is chasing the same 4 players. I don't think the asking price for these guys will come down. It's comical to me that teams who have a #3 starter available are asking for 2 guys they can plug into their rotation in return. It's like, sure we'll give you Garland and Contreras for Schmidt, uh huh, yeah, of course we will. I don't think that's true at all, yea half the teams think they're still in it but it's still only a couple of teams chasing those 4 players and there's no reason to think the ranks of the buyers is going to swell any time soon because little if anything will be decided in the next 10 days except that a couple of probable sellers like Seattle and Milwaukee will move to being definite sellers. Most of those teams that think they're still in it may be willing to play their hand out but they ain't betting the farm either. Philly is an excellent example, they're 3.5 out of the WC and 5 out of the East, that as good a position as anyone in the NL not in a lead, but does that make them a buyer? Hell no, they'll play their hand as it is. Sure there may be some small trades between contenders(like Mueller for Romero) in the next week to plug each others holes but as long as no one else is getting better why should they overpay. Right now, the sellers have every reason to wait to see if more buyers will emerge but as things get close to the deadline and the fear that the more sellers will be out there with still only a few buyers those demands will come way down. Or nothing may happen, Philly and SF may be telling the truth when they say they aren't selling and Seattle could misjudge the market. For the Sox, this might be as good as it gets since there are one of only 3 complete teams(the other 2 being St Louis and Anaheim) out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) I think another problem with the White Sox making a deadline deal is I don't think what's in the Sox farm system is highly coveted. There are players there who have a chance at becoming good major leaguers, but there is nothing close to a "can't miss" prospect. I find it hard to believe that we can't package up all our dead weight for ONE arm. Borch, Shingo, Diaz, Willie, Walker can't get you an arm?? What's our plan for these guys anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) I find it hard to believe that we can't package up all our dead weight for ONE arm. Borch, Shingo, Diaz, Willie, Walker can't get you an arm?? What's our plan for these guys anyway? Not a good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:50 PM) Not a good arm. If we can't package up all those guys for one arm and we have no plans on using them for a WS run this year............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 QUOTE(Carlo Paz @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) If you want to know why teams are reluctant to throw in the towel, you need look no further than what happened to the White Sox after they made the "white flag trade". Despite the fact the our team sucked ass and was playing corpse ball, we were "only six games out" or some stupid s*** like that. Even though we had no chance of doing anything, and even though we got some damn good players for some players who would have walked at the end of the season, Sox management was raked over the coals for years and is only now recovering the attendance that was lost in a large part due to the bad publicity from that trade. The difference is we had a good team that was still very much in it, you sound like your Jerry Reinsdorf.... the team did not suck ass far from it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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