Ozzie Montana Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 10:49 PM) You waste everett's bat ont he bench because there is about a 0.01 chance konerko is traded. well i hope, no i pray, that we dont resign the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) well i hope, no i pray, that we dont resign the guy. Your probably one of many here on SoxTalk who agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Could the people that said Frank would hurt the chemistry have been right? That's something to think about, I guess. All he's done since he came back is hit like 8 solo homers and that's about it. No, thats ludicrous. I'm not a Frank fan, but I'm not going to say he's hurting the team's chemistry. Is he the best option to be starting everyday, probably not, but than again, if Frank gets rolling he vastly improves this offense. For example, if Frank hits .270 with power...he's the big attidition for this team, because thats a totally different Frank than the one were seeing right now. I also think you see PK and AJ have good finishes. The key will be if Uribe gets out of his funk, if the pitching stays healthy and if the Sox add a reliever or starter (I do think they could use one more) as well as a SS (I just don't want to see the Sox lose becasue they aren't willing to give up Valido and someoen else for Vizquel). Vizquel is kicking butt, so whta if he's old. I'll take my chances on him being a bad investment three years from now at 4 mill a year or so. Personally speaking the Sox could take him now and move him in the offseason (someone will have interest, I guarantee it). Fact of the matter is, Omar makes this team a lot better offensively and gives them another leader to help them down the stretch and hopefully in the playoffs (one game at a time though and first they got to get there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) Your probably one of many here on SoxTalk who agree... I don't see many other options as good as Konerko on the open market, at least right now. Paulie is a good player, it just depends on what other teams offer him, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(That funky motion @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 10:53 PM) Carl should get the bats at DH. The only place I want Gload is 1st base, No outfield!!! Use the " Diminished skills Clause" and then just designate Frank for assignment. We need his spot fo Gload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 03:59 AM) I don't see many other options as good as Konerko on the open market, at least right now. Paulie is a good player, it just depends on what other teams offer him, imo. Heard there are talks about Dye moving to 1B at this point in his career. Not sure how legit they are though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to start putting the blame on Thomas. He hasn't been great, but considering he hasn't been seeing too many baseballs the last year and a half, I'm not gonna b**** at him. He's still posting a .905 OPS and is slugging .590... So, since I'm really not doing anything by just disagreeing with you guys, here's my suggestions to a solution. Juan Uribe... while his defense is valuable -- 4.5 defensive Win Shares leads our team, if there's an upgrade that's within reasonable pricing -- like Julio Lugo or Omar Vizquel -- you gotta try and make a move. A .266 on-base percentage is brutal. I haven't been very "for" the idea of getting Vizquel, but something's gotta be done. Luis Vizcaino... Look -- if our team is built on pitching and defense, why the hell is he still on our team? He's bad -- extremely bad. He had some nice outings in mop-up, but I'm sorry, when he was brought over in the Podsednik trade, all I heard was people all gaga over his arm, and how electric his stuff was. His stuff sucks. He hangs sliders and is too much of a pussy to throw his 93 MPH fastball. He pisses me off more than Contreras -- almost. You don't pay $1.3 million bucks for a guy to do mop-up. Jeff Baj can do a s***load better job at a quarter of the f***ing price. What I'm saying, is we need a new f***ing reliever -- Chad Qualls, Billy Wagner, Eddie Guardado -- somebody to push everyone down in the pecking order. I'm probably just really pissed off right now, but Vizcaino sucks. At least Uribe does something to earn some of his money, even if none of it comes from his bat -- Viz is a joke. Unfortunate that Shingo was DFA'ed alone, 'cause Viz deserved to be every bit as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) Heard there are talks about Dye moving to 1B at this point in his career. Not sure how legit they are though. Is the org actually throwing that around or is that just the people on the board, cause I know a lot of people on the board would like Dye at 1b and Anderson in RF. Personally I'll throw up if that happens. If the Sox go with that, they better find some offense elsewhere cause this offense will head into the crapper in a hurry. I dont' have a problem starting Anderson, but I wnat him to be eased in, which means you need to have some other guys that can hit and quite frankly, a lineup without Paulie is a heck of a lot worse. But if the Sox upgrade another area or two, than I'd be tempted and I do think Dye could be a pretty good 1st baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Any idea of who the big 1B FA's are this off-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 04:06 AM) Is the org actually throwing that around or is that just the people on the board, cause I know a lot of people on the board would like Dye at 1b and Anderson in RF. Personally I'll throw up if that happens. If the Sox go with that, they better find some offense elsewhere cause this offense will head into the crapper in a hurry. I dont' have a problem starting Anderson, but I wnat him to be eased in, which means you need to have some other guys that can hit and quite frankly, a lineup without Paulie is a heck of a lot worse. But if the Sox upgrade another area or two, than I'd be tempted and I do think Dye could be a pretty good 1st baseman. I think Dye said it awhile ago. He played 1B for Paulie once and said that he is getting close to the point in his career where he would have to move to 1B. Edited July 22, 2005 by Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:07 PM) Any idea of who the big 1B FA's are this off-season? Fred McGriff (Agent Jim Krivacs) David Segui (playing in Indy League) Ellis Burks (Retired) Edgar Martinez(Retired) Robin Ventura(Retired) Mo Vaughn Andres Galaragga (Retired) Phil Hiatt Dave McCarty (Retired) Steve Cox Rafael Palmeiro Jose Offerman Frank Thomas (Player + Team option) J.T. Snow John Olerud Dave Hansen Brad Fullmer Julio Franco Tim Salmon Doug Mientkiewicz (Vesting Option) Kevin Millar Paul Konerko Dimitri Young (Team Option) Scott Hatteberg (Team Option) Eduardo Perez Wil Cordero Robert Fick Greg Colbrunn Mark Sweeney Tino Martinez (Team Option) Ruben Sierra Daryle Ward Tony Clark Travis Lee Olmedo Saenz Erubiel Durazo Brian Buchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:07 PM) Any idea of who the big 1B FA's are this off-season? Nobody good, that's why PK is gonna get an obscene contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 04:06 AM) I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to start putting the blame on Thomas. He hasn't been great, but considering he hasn't been seeing too many baseballs the last year and a half, I'm not gonna b**** at him. He's still posting a .905 OPS and is slugging .590... So, since I'm really not doing anything by just disagreeing with you guys, here's my suggestions to a solution. Juan Uribe... while his defense is valuable -- 4.5 defensive Win Shares leads our team, if there's an upgrade that's within reasonable pricing -- like Julio Lugo or Omar Vizquel -- you gotta try and make a move. A .266 on-base percentage is brutal. I haven't been very "for" the idea of getting Vizquel, but something's gotta be done. Luis Vizcaino... Look -- if our team is built on pitching and defense, why the hell is he still on our team? He's bad -- extremely bad. He had some nice outings in mop-up, but I'm sorry, when he was brought over in the Podsednik trade, all I heard was people all gaga over his arm, and how electric his stuff was. His stuff sucks. He hangs sliders and is too much of a pussy to throw his 93 MPH fastball. He pisses me off more than Contreras -- almost. You don't pay $1.3 million bucks for a guy to do mop-up. Jeff Baj can do a s***load better job at a quarter of the f***ing price. What I'm saying, is we need a new f***ing reliever -- Chad Qualls, Billy Wagner, Eddie Guardado -- somebody to push everyone down in the pecking order. I'm probably just really pissed off right now, but Vizcaino sucks. At least Uribe does something to earn some of his money, even if none of it comes from his bat -- Viz is a joke. Unfortunate that Shingo was DFA'ed alone, 'cause Viz deserved to be every bit as much. We don't always get along, but this was a very good post. Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) Snow, Hatteberg, Durazo, and Millar are the only ones I would even consider. Robin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Chad Tracy. Now there's an option, for all of those who Mr. Overbay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 DB's, I would slobber over myself if the Sox could get Overbay.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 04:17 AM) Chad Tracy. Now there's an option, for all of those who Mr. Overbay. Overbay would probably be available via trade, either now or in the off season. Brewers are probably going to go with Prince next year at 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 10:10 PM) Nobody good, that's why PK is gonna get an obscene contract. like them or hate them you can probably add Thome and Overbay to this list, Howard and Fielder will be playing 1b for their teams full time next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 04:14 AM) Snow, Hatteberg, Durazo, and Millar are the only ones I would even consider. Robin too. Kevin Millar? Kevin Millar of the .386 SLG% and terrible defense? That Kevin Millar? The one that just about every Red Sox fan is dying to rid themselves of? He's no upgrade. And Scott Hatteberg is in the same boat. He's slugging .372 and is on the wrong side of 30. If we're interested in either of these two guys, why not just give Ross Gload a shot. He's a better defender than both of 'em, and hasn't shown that he can't be an everyday player. Why not give him a shot? Or, there's Adam Dunn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Fact. You will give up far more in a trade for Lyle Overbay than Chad Tracy. Have a look at their splits; Tracy - .302/.345/.515 Overbay - .276/.381/.466 Tracy's only 25 and has been in the majors for what just over a season. Very important when it comes to controlling his rights. Arizona has Tony Clark and Conor Jackson coming up for next season. They have a big logjam, coupled with their need for pitching, they make a good trading partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:19 AM) Kevin Millar? Kevin Millar of the .386 SLG% and terrible defense? That Kevin Millar? The one that just about every Red Sox fan is dying to rid themselves of? He's no upgrade. And Scott Hatteberg is in the same boat. He's slugging .372 and is on the wrong side of 30. If we're interested in either of these two guys, why not just give Ross Gload a shot. He's a better defender than both of 'em, and hasn't shown that he can't be an everyday player. Why not give him a shot? Or, there's Adam Dunn... CON...SID....ER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) CON...SID....ER For not very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Chad Tracy :drools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Coughfranksnotgoingonthedlcough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:24 AM) For not very long. Yeah, probably like, a second! EDIT: I'm sorry for killing it. :banghead Edited July 22, 2005 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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