The AJ Burnett 24 Hour Window Thread

[Dick Allen]

AJ Burnett has been on the DL every season since 2000, per Bruce Levine.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:48 PM)

wagner BY far

absolutely no question

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really why is that? I am very confident with more more lefty arm + Contreras, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, and Jenks. I don't see adding Wagner to that bullpen that big of an upgrade. I think we either need to upgrade our SP to a point where it is out of this world, which is what we would be doing, or get a left handed power bat such as Griffey. I think the offense needs help more than our pitching, but where will that come from? I just have heard no talk of it.

[bulokis]

I dont want to part ways with Bmac or Marte for Burnett. If FL takes on Contreras instead I would do it. Also, Bmac for a rent a player because AJ wont sign with us is not a good idea. We need Bmac this year and for more years to come.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:46 PM)

AJ Burnett has been on the DL every season since 2000, per Bruce Levine.

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So has Beckett, you wouldn't want Josh Beckett? I sure would and the Marlins would not have won a world series without him. That means nothing to me. By the way he has not been on it this year.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(bulokis @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:50 PM)

I dont want to part ways with Bmac or Marte for Burnett. If FL takes on Contreras instead I would do it. Also, Bmac for a rent a player because AJ wont sign with us is not a good idea. We need Bmac this year and for more years to come.

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Screw that Bmac is not the same pitcer as Contreras and nothing that I have seen tells me that he ever will be. We definitely have no use for Bmac this year and who knows what the hell he will ever become.

[daa84]

here is one reason i like this deal. brandon mccarthy is a strong pitching prospect. but lets face the facts here. this guy is one of the more overrated prospects. most people say you cant tell how a pitcher will really pitch until he hits AA ball. and what has he done at or above AA. 3-1 3.46 29Ks in 26 innings in AA in 2004, are good solid numbers. stud prospect numbers? not quite. career in AAA: 3-7 5.17 ERa in 78.1IP with 94 Ks. certainly impressive K rates, but still the ERA and 14 homers is alot granted the bandbox in charlotte. even his #s at low A ball werent dominating, 8-5 3.64 94 IP 113 Ks. again, the k rate is the only outstanding number. the only place he truly dominated was at high A, and had a good showing in like 20 innings of spring training when hitters are trying to get in a groove. IMO the white sox know that his status as an elite prospect is probably overrated. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt mind holding on to him, i just think his market value is higher than his real value right now, and thus i dont mind selling high

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:53 PM)

here is one reason i like this deal. brandon mccarthy is a strong pitching prospect. but lets face the facts here. this guy is one of the more overrated prospects. most people say you cant tell how a pitcher will really pitch until he hits AA ball. and what has he done at or above AA. 3-1 3.46 29Ks in 26 innings in AA in 2004, are good solid numbers. stud prospect numbers? not quite. career in AAA: 3-7 5.17 ERa in 78.1IP with 94 Ks. certainly impressive K rates, but still the ERA and 14 homers is alot granted the bandbox in charlotte. even his #s at low A ball werent dominating, 8-5 3.64 94 IP 113 Ks. again, the k rate is the only outstanding number. the only place he truly dominated was at high A, and had a good showing in like 20 innings of spring training when hitters are trying to get in a groove. IMO the white sox know that his status as an elite prospect is probably overrated. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt mind holding on to him, i just think his market value is higher than his real value right now, and thus i dont mind selling high

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I completely agree.

[Chisoxfn]

here is one reason i like this deal. brandon mccarthy is a strong pitching prospect. but lets face the facts here. this guy is one of the more overrated prospects. most people say you cant tell how a pitcher will really pitch until he hits AA ball. and what has he done at or above AA. 3-1 3.46 29Ks in 26 innings in AA in 2004, are good solid numbers. stud prospect numbers? not quite. career in AAA: 3-7 5.17 ERa in 78.1IP with 94 Ks. certainly impressive K rates, but still the ERA and 14 homers is alot granted the bandbox in charlotte. even his #s at low A ball werent dominating, 8-5 3.64 94 IP 113 Ks. again, the k rate is the only outstanding number. the only place he truly dominated was at high A, and had a good showing in like 20 innings of spring training when hitters are trying to get in a groove. IMO the white sox know that his status as an elite prospect is probably overrated. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt mind holding on to him, i just think his market value is higher than his real value right now, and thus i dont mind selling high

Totally disagree. I have my reasons for it, but no one and I mean no one should be writing off Brandon McCarthy. He's pitched back to back good games and is getting back on pace. He's had some stuff come up, but he's bouncing back and is going to be a very good major league pitcher.

 

Fact is Brandon was in over his head. He got limited time in AA and than was shot to AAA. He's starting to get things figured out and he's going to have a huge 2nd half (whether for Charlotte or another AAA team).

[daa84]

I completely agree.

whats funny is that before last year the only recognition of any kind bmac had was that he was gonna be a throw in to boston in the whole nomar, magglio arod deal(s)

[daa84]

Totally disagree.  I have my reasons for it, but no one and I mean no one should be writing off Brandon McCarthy.  He's pitched back to back good games and is getting back on pace.  He's had some stuff come up, but he's bouncing back and is going to be a very good major league pitcher.

chisoxfn, i dont mean to come off like i am writing him off, im simply saying now maybe the perfect time to deal him, because im not sure he is as good as some out there think he is. i mean he is in some peoples book right behind the felix hernandez's, and im not sure if thats how i would classify him

[Chisoxfn]

chisoxfn, i dont mean to come off like i am writing him off, im simply saying now maybe the perfect time to deal him, because im not sure he is as good as some out there think he is. i mean he is in some peoples book right behind the felix hernandez's, and im not sure if thats how i would classify him

Put it this way, I wouldn't trade Felix Hernandez for AJ Burnett. I'd potentially deal Bmac for Burnett. However, I still have quite a few doubts about how this move really makes the club better.

 

I think they'd be best looking for a good reliever (maybe even keeping Marte and dealing Viz for a better reliever) and a bat.

[daa84]

I think they'd be best looking for a good reliever (maybe even keeping Marte and dealing Viz for a better reliever) and a bat.

 

no disagreement from me there

[VAfan]

Before anyone just tosses away BMac on a rent-a-player, consider Jack McDowell's first 6 years, which is what we would have BMac for if we don't trade him.

 

1987 21 3 0 4 4 0 0 0 0 28.0 16 6 6 1 6 15 2 0 1.93

1988 22 5 10 26 26 1 0 0 0 158.7 147 85 70 12 68 84 7 11 3.97

1990 24 14 9 33 33 4 0 0 0 205.0 189 93 87 20 77 165 7 7 3.82

1991 25 17 10 35 35 15 3 0 0 253.7 212 97 96 19 82 191 4 10 3.41

1992 26 20 10 34 34 13 1 0 0 260.7 247 95 92 21 75 178 7 6 3.18

1993 27 22 10 34 34 10 4 0 0 256.7 261 104 96 20 69 158 3 8 3.37

 

McCarthy has 21 walks and 94 Ks in 78 innings in AAA. He's been plagued by the long ball, but that can be worked out.

 

Who would have projected Neal Cotts to be the lights out bullpen pitcher he has become in a very short time?? Or Cliff Politte turning into one of the best 8th inning guys - if not THE BEST - after how he started out with the Sox?

 

I'd give up the real Jack McDowell if it means the Sox are going to win the World Series this year, but AJ Burnett isn't close to being the key piece to the puzzle.

[Dick Allen]

So has Beckett, you wouldn't want Josh Beckett? I sure would and the Marlins would not have won a world series without him. That means nothing to me. By the way he has not been on it this year.

Just explain to me how Burnett has been a better pitcher than Contreras this season.

[Chisoxfn]

Just explain to me how Burnett has been a better pitcher than Contreras this season.

He hasn't. Thats the problem. The way the Sox are going to work this trade (with jose sliding into the pen) Burnett isn't replacing Duque, rather Contreras and there is no way anyone is going to tell me that thats a major upgrade.

 

Don't tell me how Contreras is going to s*** his pants in the post-season either, cause last I looked, Burnett hasn't done anything in the playoffs himself.

 

This move makes ZERO sense. Don't trade for Burnett.

[SoxAce]

Basically stay away from the Marlins. I can see them getting another D-Train in their hands with B-Mac.

[Ozzie Montana]

Im watching ESPNNEWS and Steve Phillips says nothing new. Orioles, Red Sox, and White Sox interested. Says he'd be best fit in Baltimore and that Jorge Julio would really appeal to Florida.

[daa84]

Just explain to me how Burnett has been a better pitcher than Contreras this season.

nipple rings.....

[VAfan]

Basically stay away from the Marlins. I can see them getting another D-Train in their hands with B-Mac.

 

Exactly. BMac for Burnett straight up might be a great move for Florida. I still remember how BMac was outdueling Mark Prior in Wrigley Field in his initial game until Ozzie pulled him too soon.

 

He needs time to settle in, and then could join Cotts, Jenks, Politte, Garland, and Buerhle as homegrown pitching stars. Backing El Duque again next year, I could see him winning 15 games within 2 years.

 

Look at what Oakland does. They find good young pitchers and go with them. They don't buy other teams' FA outcasts.

 

KEEP BMAC.

[Chisoxfn]

Im watching ESPNNEWS and Steve Phillips says nothing new.  Orioles, Red Sox, and White Sox interested.  Says he'd be best fit in Baltimore and that Jorge Julio would really appeal to Florida.

Phillips is just repeating what he said last time. Actually I think this is just a replay, but maybe not. Cause its basically word for word from the last time.

[daa84]

Exactly.  BMac for Burnett straight up might be a great move for Florida.  I still remember how BMac was outdueling Mark Prior in Wrigley Field in his initial game until Ozzie pulled him too soon. 

 

He needs time to settle in, and then could join Cotts, Jenks, Politte, Garland, and Buerhle as homegrown pitching stars.  Backing El Duque again next year, I could see him winning 15 games within 2 years. 

 

Look at what Oakland does.  They find good young pitchers and go with them.  They don't buy other teams' FA outcasts. 

 

KEEP BMAC.

check up on your chisox minor league history, cotts came from oakland, jenks from anaheim, garland from cubs, and politte was already a mlb veteran when the sox got him from toronto. only buerhle is the true homegrown outa that bunch

[Ozzie Montana]

Phillips is just repeating what he said last time.  Actually I think this is just a replay, but maybe not.  Cause its basically word for word from the last time.

yeah i watched it a while ago and they just repeated it.

[Chisoxfn]

check up on your chisox minor league history, cotts came from oakland, jenks from anaheim, garland from cubs, and politte was already a mlb veteran when the sox got him from toronto. only buerhle is the true homegrown outa that bunch

You could make a case that the Sox developed Garland. When the Sox acquired Jon he had been considered a bust at that point, however the Sox saw a good arm with potential. He made some adjustments and turned things around and quickly became one of the best pitching prospects in baseball.

 

However, I think the Sox deserve some credit in terms of Garland. Cotts pitched in AA for the Sox for a full season and was lights out. Sox have done a lot with him as well in terms of developing him. However your right, they didn't pick him up.

[Milkman delivers]

check up on your chisox minor league history, cotts came from oakland, jenks from anaheim, garland from cubs, and politte was already a mlb veteran when the sox got him from toronto. only buerhle is the true homegrown outa that bunch

 

Hahahahahaha. Jenks was in our minors for like half a year, and Politte was never ever in our minors.

[Chisoxfn]

Hahahahahaha.  Jenks was in our minors for like half a year, and Politte was never ever in our minors.

Thats exactly what he said