knightni Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) Name them I've seen them, you've seen them. I don't remember the exact games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) I've seen them, you've seen them. I don't remember the exact games. Give me an example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 01:25 AM) I've seen them, you've seen them. I don't remember the exact games. He can't because he is pulling it out of his ass trying to look for something to worry about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) Hermanson has been anything but overpowering when converting his saves. He has been fortunate so far on at least 5 or 6 occasions that that defense has bailed him out. Hermanson is not an 'overpowering' type of pitcher. His is, howver, effective. That's what matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) He can't because he is pulling it out of his ass trying to look for something to worry about STFU. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250517104 2 walks after getting 2 down. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250611125 HR http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250601104 murderered by Anaheim http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250605104 2 walks - fielding error http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250710104 HR http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250619104 Walk, DP http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250722104 2 run HR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I only see a couple games in that where he was the "closer" Coming in during a tie game, blowout (to get some work), or more than one inning during a tie game in extra innings. Those don't count. There are many closers, including Eric Gagne, who do not perform well in non-save situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 My premise was that he was performing lower than a true closer should. I was just giving pitching examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 07:13 AM) My premise was that he was performing lower than a true closer should. I was just giving pitching examples. Here are a selected games of Billy Wagner, a fantasy of many here. 2 hits and a WP http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250416122 Blown Save 1 hr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250506116 Couple hits, couple runs http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250515122 Blown Save 1 Hr http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250524128 2 hits, 1 HBP, 1 inherited runner score, 1 earned run http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250605122 See you can do that with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:11 AM) Hermanson has been anything but overpowering when converting his saves. He has been fortunate so far on at least 5 or 6 occasions that that defense has bailed him out. Your beef with Hermanson seems to be when he comes in for non-save situations. I agree, he has been extremely subpar in his outings where the pressure wasnt on, and has given up hits and runs. But to his credit, he has gotten the job done 23 out of 24 times this year when it has mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 (edited) Hermanson is doing a tremendous job as a closer but I still think a trade for a Billy Wagner would put us over the hump. So this way if we trade Marte we would definately be upgrading with Wagner. Marte has had his struggles one day looking like the left handed phenom from 03 and another day looking like garbage. He is too inconsistent. But we got the luxury to trade Marte because Politte and Cotts have been nothing short of tremendous for us. Plus no one knows when Hermanson's back will start acting up. Edited July 25, 2005 by Ozzie Montana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 07:36 AM) Hermanson is doing a tremendous job as a closer but I still think a trade for a Billy Wagner would put us over the hump. So this way if we trade Marte we would definately be upgrading with Wagner. Marte has had his struggles one day looking like the left handed phenom from 03 and another day looking like garbage. He is too inconsistent. But we got the luxury to trade Marte because Politte and Cotts have been nothing short of tremendous for us. Plus no one knows when Hermanson's back will start acting up. Except that Wagner is officially off the market since the Phillies feel they are in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:53 PM) STFU. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250517104 2 walks after getting 2 down. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250611125 HR http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250601104 murderered by Anaheim http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250605104 2 walks - fielding error http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250710104 HR http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250619104 Walk, DP http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250722104 2 run HR And he gets saved by defense when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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