Ozzie's Protest during the game.

[RibbieRubarb]

I didn't go through the game thread to see if anyone posted this yet, but I have been looking through the rulebook for a passage on "using a player not on the line-up card". I found this:

4.01

Unless the home club shall have given previous notice that the game has been postponed or will be delayed in starting, the umpire, or umpires, shall enter the playing field five minutes before the hour set for the game to begin and proceed directly to home base where they shall be met by the managers of the opposing teams. In sequence_ (a) First, the home manager shall give his batting order to the umpire in chief, in duplicate. B. Next, the visiting manager shall give his batting order to the umpire in chief, in duplicate. © The umpire in chief shall make certain that the original and copies of the respective batting orders are identical, and then tender a copy of each batting order to the opposing manager. The copy retained by the umpire shall be the official batting order. The tender of the batting order by the umpire shall establish the batting orders. Thereafter, no substitutions shall be made by either manager, except as provided in the rules. (d) As soon as the home team's batting order is handed to the umpire in chief the umpires are in charge of the playing field and from that moment they shall have sole authority to determine when a game shall be called, suspended or resumed on account of weather or the condition of the playing field. Obvious errors in the batting order, which are noticed by the umpire in chief before he calls "Play" for the start of the game, should be called to the attention of the manager or captain of the team in error, so the correction can be made before the game starts. For example, if a manager has inadvertently listed only eight men in the batting order, or has listed two players with the same last name but without an identifying initial and the errors are noticed by the umpire before he calls "play," he shall cause such error or errors to be corrected before he calls "play" to start the game. Teams should not be "trapped" later by some mistake that obviously was inadvertent and which can be corrected before the game starts.

 

It's the last line that indicated to me why the protest won't be upheld.

KC will argue that the umpires should have noticed that they were a man short on the line-up card and informed then before the game.

Selig will agree.

 

That's what I found, did anyone else have any luck with something more specific to the situation? A precedence, perhaps?

 

Soxtalk.com needs to hire a paralegal department.

Edited July 28, 2005 by RibbieRubarb

[SoxPhan7]

This is what I found from the game story on ESPN.com:

 

Shawn Camp (1-2), promoted Monday from Triple-A Omaha, pitched a perfect 13th. The White Sox protested the game because Camp was not listed on the lineup card.

"The right side of the card is a courtesy" for the reserves and the bullpen, Bell said. "Apparently, they don't know the rules. The protest is a non-issue for me."

 

I dont like Bell's tone there but it sounds like he knows what he is talking about.

[fathom]

I thought I heard that Selig already denied the protest.

[RibbieRubarb]

This is what I found from the game story on ESPN.com:

 

Shawn Camp (1-2), promoted Monday from Triple-A Omaha, pitched a perfect 13th. The White Sox protested the game because Camp was not listed on the lineup card.

"The right side of the card is a courtesy" for the reserves and the bullpen, Bell said. "Apparently, they don't know the rules. The protest is a non-issue for me."

 

I dont like Bell's tone there but it sounds like he knows what he is talking about.

 

That's what I was thinking after reading the rules. The only thing that matters on the card is the batting line-up.

[The Ginger Kid]

This from Buddy Bell...

 

Shawn Camp (1-2), promoted Monday from Triple-A Omaha, pitched a perfect 13th. The White Sox protested the game because Camp was not listed on the lineup card.

 

"The right side of the card is a courtesy" for the reserves and the bullpen, Bell said. "Apparently, they don't know the rules. The protest is a non-issue for me."

 

[rangercal]

already posted http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37723

[The Ginger Kid]

already posted  http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37723

 

my bad :banghead

[wallyburger]

I love Buddy Bell. Not to be taken literally

Edited July 28, 2005 by wallyburger

[OldRetiredGuy]

I'm trying to remember in my 50+ years of watching baseball, if I can recall a protest changing the outcome of a game. I can't. It always seems more like theatrics.

[southsider2k5]

I'm trying to remember in my 50+ years of watching baseball, if I can recall a protest changing the outcome of a game. I can't. It always seems more like theatrics.

 

George Brett and the pine tar bat is the only time I can think of.

[OldRetiredGuy]

George Brett and the pine tar bat is the only time I can think of.

 

I didn't say there wasn't one, I just said I couldn't remember. Senior moment. Thank you.

[southsider2k5]

I didn't say there wasn't one, I just said I couldn't remember. Senior moment.  Thank you.

 

I wasn't trying to show you up or anything... It just popped into my head and I thought it merited mentioning.

[OldRetiredGuy]

I wasn't trying to show you up or anything...  It just popped into my head and I thought it merited mentioning.

 

This does have me thinking. How many protests are even filed?

[Bubba Philips]

Ozzie put 7/27 game under protest. It was something about the lineup card does anyone know what he called the protest for exactly?

[SoxFan1]

Ozzie put  7/27 game under protest.  It was something  about the lineup  card does anyone know what he called the protest for exactly?

There was nt only 1, but 2 threads about this. But not to be a dick, yesm he protested that RP Shawn Camp was nowhere in any of the roster cards because he just got called up Monday. He pitched a perfect 13th inning...