southsideirish Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) No one will take him. He is stuck in LF of SBC Park... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No one? Why is that? I am sure Anaheim would love to have him and they like to spend money as well. Why would no one take him? His attitude? Please, a lot of teams will look right past that and at his 40 HRs a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadahito15 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) No one? Why is that? I am sure Anaheim would love to have him and they like to spend money as well. Why would no one take him? His attitude? Please, a lot of teams will look right past that and at his 40 HRs a year. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) No one? Why is that? I am sure Anaheim would love to have him and they like to spend money as well. Why would no one take him? His attitude? Please, a lot of teams will look right past that and at his 40 HRs a year. Those 40 HR's might not return without "the juice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:03 PM) No one will take him. He is stuck in LF of SBC Park... Ha, that's just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) Those 40 HR's might not return without "the juice" The richer players can stay ahead of the testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) No one? Why is that? I am sure Anaheim would love to have him and they like to spend money as well. Why would no one take him? His attitude? Please, a lot of teams will look right past that and at his 40 HRs a year. 1) Contract 2) Juice 3) Expensiveness Look at home much Sabean wants for Vizquel or Schmidt. Now think of how much he would want for Barry f***ing Bonds. If the Sox would want him, they would have to trade the Birmingham Barons for him + one of Carl/Aaron/Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 KW has been trying to get AJB to flip him for Wagner for awhile now, and now has a notion of three team deal where we flip AJB to philly and Philly grabs Baez from TB, we get huff and wagner and supply TB with the prospects. Doable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) The richer players can stay ahead of the testing. The Whizzenator???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) KW has been trying to get AJB to flip him for Wagner for awhile now, and now has a notion of three team deal where we flip AJB to philly and Philly grabs Baez from TB, we get huff and wagner and supply TB with the prospects. Doable? Source? We get Huff AND Wagner..........WOWZA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) Source? We get Huff AND Wagner..........WOWZA! ESPN insider mentioned that we are trying to flip AJB for wagner and Philly is trying to get Baez from TB. I envisioned this in my head...and xbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) The richer players can stay ahead of the testing. that's true. Especially if they use HGH which can only be detected with blood samples. However, most steriod users get comfortable with what they are using and it takes them awhile to get used to new ones. Maybe that's why he is taking the time off? Anyway I wouldn't take my chances on a player that needs to find new steriods to keep performing. Edited July 28, 2005 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) 1) Contract 2) Juice 3) Expensiveness Look at home much Sabean wants for Vizquel or Schmidt. Now think of how much he would want for Barry f***ing Bonds. If the Sox would want him, they would have to trade the Birmingham Barons for him + one of Carl/Aaron/Dye. Two things. One, how do you know what Sabean wants for Schmidt and Vizquel?? Second, you're nuts if you think no one would take a shot on Bonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadahito15 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) KW has been trying to get AJB to flip him for Wagner for awhile now, and now has a notion of three team deal where we flip AJB to philly and Philly grabs Baez from TB, we get huff and wagner and supply TB with the prospects. Doable? Speculation? It does make sense...BUT it seems TB gets screwed unless the prospects are REALLY good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) that's true. Especially if they use HGH which can only be detected with blood samples. However, most steriod users get comfortable with what they are using and it takes them awhile to get used to new ones. Maybe that's why he is taking the time off? Anyway I wouldn't take my chances on a player that needs to find new steriods to keep performing. Oh, I don't want him. Let me make that one clear. I despise Barry Bonds, and if you ever met any of my friends, you'd know how much I hate steroids and anyone involved with them. You're a doctor, right? You certainly know more about steroids than I do, but I read from a few sources that the guys with the money can stay ahead of the testing because new kinds of steroids are made basically every week. One guy I like to read about is Charles Yesalis. He's an expert in steroids at, I think, Penn State. He seems as cynical as me, which is hard to be HGH is a huge problem and it's laughable that it was left out of the new policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) Oh, I don't want him. Let me make that one clear. I despise Barry Bonds, and if you ever met any of my friends, you'd know how much I hate steroids and anyone involved with them. You're a doctor, right? You certainly know more about steroids than I do, but I read from a few sources that the guys with the money can stay ahead of the testing because new kinds of steroids are made basically every week. One guy I like to read about is Charles Yesalis. He's an expert in steroids at, I think, Penn State. He seems as cynical as me, which is hard to be HGH is a huge problem and it's laughable that it was left out of the new policy. I'm a physical therapist and athletic trainer. HGH is not only left out of the MLB agreement but also NFL. It's because of the blood sampling that the unions have kept it out. You're right about the development of the new ones. There may be a few takers for Bonds. But with the uncertainty about the steriods and the knee, I think it will scare most off. Did you know that the surgreon he went to has had his medical license revoked for un ethical practice before? He goes to this guy because he will do what he wants. Many teams are leary of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) Speculation? It does make sense...BUT it seems TB gets screwed unless the prospects are REALLY good Well, they are trying to unload HUff, and I know Baez is going to be a tough draw, but maybe Philly throws some in too, because we are losing alot, but gaining alot too, philly is losing wagner and some prospects and getting Baez and AJB, and TB is losing two players but getting a ton of top-level prospects. I dunno, its just been speculated. I know that KW needs to pull something off for our bullpen, those guys are tired!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Is HGH not in the MLB Policy or just not tested for? What difference it makes I don't know, but I'm just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) There may be a few takers for Bonds. But with the uncertainty about the steriods and the knee, I think it will scare most off. Did you know that the surgreon he went to has had his medical license revoked for un ethical practice before? He goes to this guy because he will do what he wants. Many teams are leary of this. Haha, yeah. I remember that story. He's pretty much the worst person I've ever heard of that didn't actually kill anyone. He's a selfish, cheating, self-involved racist. Still, a few teams will take him and his enormous salary while giving up a bunch of talent. You just know somebody will, but I wish they wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) KW has been trying to get AJB to flip him for Wagner for awhile now, and now has a notion of three team deal where we flip AJB to philly and Philly grabs Baez from TB, we get huff and wagner and supply TB with the prospects. Doable? Won't happen. I heard that's one of the main reasons why Florida doesn't want to deal Aj Burnett to the Red Sox because lots of talk say that he'll get flipped for Wagner which means the Marlins have to face Burnett in the heat of a playoff spot. I don't see Wagner getting traded and I don't see Burnett getting flipped for anyone unless it's for Schmidt. As for anyone who asked how do you the price for Vizquel and Schmidt, well they wanted to major league pitchers for Schmidt alone to start with. I'm sure they wouldn't take a lesser deal especially when it involves them throwing in another player who's damn good might I add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Is HGH not in the MLB Policy or just not tested for? What difference it makes I don't know, but I'm just curious. I know it's not tested for because they don't do blood testing. I don't know if it's mentioned in the policy or not. But without testing it really doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 ah screw it. lets go get burnett, huff, and baez and win this damn world series. the hell with our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) Two things. One, how do you know what Sabean wants for Schmidt and Vizquel?? Second, you're nuts if you think no one would take a shot on Bonds. I dont know for sure. It is part speculation and part a mix of all the reports that have been published in July. But seriously, what do you expect to give up for one of the best players in a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) I know it's not tested for because they don't do blood testing. I don't know if it's mentioned in the policy or not. But without testing it really doesn't matter. I don't think they could mention it in the policy if they won't test for it. This policy is really weak, and is pretty much just a way to pretend they're doing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 05:10 PM) The richer players can stay ahead of the testing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is true, I heard HGH is against baseball rules, but they don't have a way to test for it. Could this be something that lead to Giambi's better numbers as the season went along? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) 1) Contract 2) Juice 3) Expensiveness Look at home much Sabean wants for Vizquel or Schmidt. Now think of how much he would want for Barry f***ing Bonds. If the Sox would want him, they would have to trade the Birmingham Barons for him + one of Carl/Aaron/Dye. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again, Anaheim and a some other teams like them that don't mind spending money wouldn't give 2 s***s abot his contract. He would bring enough fans in to the stadim chasing the home run record that the contract wouldn't even matter. The Juice? HA!! OK. In Barry's case I don't think it is the juice that is helping him. Now if they outlawed body armor and elbow pads in baseball then we may see a different player than the old Bonds. Expensiveness as to what other teams would have to give up? I can't see it being a lot as SF would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. If his knee does not allow him to play the field where the hell are the Giants going to play him? They have no choice but to trade him. If every team knows this do you really think they are going to pay a lot to get him? I don't think you are thinking this through completely. Edited July 28, 2005 by southsideirish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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