A deal w/ the D-Rays makes sense

[AddisonStSox]

Yeah, but how often could a waiver wire guy BECOME an All-Star closer.  Not declaring that he will be, but signs are looking positive right now.

 

Jenks is the sexy new prospect. We get it. But, think outside the box folks. If you're able to use Jenks to acquire a guy like Wagner, you do it in half a heartbeat, no questions asked.

 

We needs someone with veteran/post-season expierence and Jenks ain't it. I'm not saying the guy can't contribute this season, but he won't be able to contribute on the same level as say, Billy Wagner.

[DBAHO]

Since I don't feel like bumping my lefty LOOGY's thread, here's some lefties with really good lefty splits;

 

ONE'S WE KNOW about:

Scott Eyre

Ron Villone

 

OTHERS

Wilson Alvarez

Jeff Fassero

Arthur Rhodes

Brian Shouse

Jason Christiansen

Ron Mahay

[southsideirish71]

In the words of KW, "1917". Jenks may be a lights out closer for yrs to come. But not this yr. If he could be part of a deal that nets Wagner, I could live with that. For a middle of the road guy like Baez, certainly not

 

One other thing--Jenks was a waiver wire pickup. How often could a waiver wire guy be used to pick up an all star closer? Not very often.

 

 

There was this guy named Santana that was a Rule 5 draft guy. His original team didnt think enough of him to protect him, the twins swooped in, the rest is history. BTW In no way am I even thinking of comparing Jenks to any stud on any team, but that was more to illustrate that just because you go on the junk heap once doesnt mean you cant be a star.

 

Its hard to find guys who throw this hard. If he throws strikes he can be something special for years to come. I dont know if we put him in the trade bucket, but then again I am biased. LOL

[beck72]

Yeah, but how often could a waiver wire guy BECOME an All-Star closer?  Not declaring that he will be, but signs are looking positive right now.

 

That argument might be decent for a GM looking to hang onto his job, who can point to a great deal as proof of his being a "genius". But for someone like KW who is looking to win a WS this yr, who has job security no doubt for a long while, that's probably secondary.

[knightni]

I'd love to see Wilson Alvarez back pitching in a Sox uniform.

[southsideirish71]

Jenks is the sexy new prospect.  We get it.  But, think outside the box folks.  If you're able to use Jenks to acquire a guy like Wagner, you do it in half a heartbeat, no questions asked.

 

We needs someone with veteran/post-season expierence and Jenks ain't it.  I'm not saying the guy can't contribute this season, but he won't be able to contribute on the same level as say, Billy Wagner.

 

 

If its something that puts us over the top sure. Wagner is a stud and is better than Jenks no question about it. But to give up Jenks for Baez, FOCK THAT.

[beck72]

Jenks is the sexy new prospect.  We get it.  But, think outside the box folks.  If you're able to use Jenks to acquire a guy like Wagner, you do it in half a heartbeat, no questions asked.

KW would scream "Deal!!!!" before Phillies GM Wade finished saying "OK"

[RockRaines]

There was this guy named Santana that was a Rule 5 draft guy.  His original team didnt think enough of him to protect him, the twins swooped in, the rest is history.  BTW In no way am I even thinking of comparing Jenks to any stud on any team, but that was more to illustrate that just because you go on the junk heap once doesnt mean you cant be a star. 

 

Its hard to find guys who throw this hard.  If he throws strikes he can be something special for years to come.  I dont know if we put him in the trade bucket, but then again I am biased.  LOL

Jenks is untouchable. He is one of the rarest finds in baseball, in fact, we havent had a hard thrower like him in a long time. And thats not even his best pitch! BMAC is unproven at the big league level, so is BA, so is sweeney etc etc. Jenks has proven himself to me, and he is one of the rare talents that will turn out for the best. This guy will not be dealt, in fact his rise is the reason we are looking to deal some of our bullpen (shingo, marte)

[AddisonStSox]

Since I don't feel like bumping my lefty LOOGY's thread, here's some lefties with really good lefty splits;

 

ONE'S WE KNOW about:

Scott Eyre

Ron Villone

 

OTHERS

Wilson Alvarez

Jeff Fassero

Arthur Rhodes

Brian Shouse

Jason Christiansen

Ron Mahay

 

Fantastic.

 

If Kline and Embree don't fit the bill, think Eyre, Villone (who's pretty much considered on the trading block), etc....anyone that can get friggin lefties out is an improvement.

 

I'm serious. Two moves oughta be made.

 

-Trade for Burnett/Wagner

-Sign or Trade for a LH reliever.

 

*Pack it up and prepare for post-season play.

[DBAHO]

Why would anyone think Baez would be a bullpen upgrade? The guy has 7 blown saves this year. Shingo was 8 for 9 in save chances. If you've been frustrated by Marte, Shingo and Vizcaino, you'll be equally frustrated by Mr. Baez. And on top of that, adding a guy like Embree? You guys must be masochists.

Like I said earlier the majority of those blown saves will have come from when he's pitched more than 1 inning.

4/22 - 2.2 IP

5/13 - 2.2 IP

5/17 - 1.1 IP

5/30 - 1 IP

6/4 - 1.2 IP

6/8 - 1.1 IP

7/26 - 2 IP

[Dick Allen]

Jenks is the sexy new prospect.  We get it.  But, think outside the box folks.  If you're able to use Jenks to acquire a guy like Wagner, you do it in half a heartbeat, no questions asked.

 

We needs someone with veteran/post-season expierence and Jenks ain't it.  I'm not saying the guy can't contribute this season, but he won't be able to contribute on the same level as say, Billy Wagner.

If Jenks grew a shaggy beard, he be Bob James.

[AddisonStSox]

If its something that puts us over the top sure.  Wagner is a stud and is better than Jenks no question about it.  But to give up Jenks for Baez, FOCK THAT.

 

Jenks for Baez is a no-no...that, I'll agree with.

 

 

KW would scream "Deal!!!!" before Phillies GM Wade finished saying "OK"

 

Yes! Absolutely.

 

Jenks is untouchable.  He is one of the rarest finds in baseball, in fact, we havent had a hard thrower like him in a long time.  And thats not even his best pitch!  BMAC is unproven at the big league level, so is BA, so is sweeney etc etc. Jenks has proven himself to me, and he is one of the rare talents that will turn out for the best.  This guy will not be dealt, in fact his rise is the reason we are looking to deal some of our bullpen (shingo, marte)

 

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Survey Says: Wrong!

 

I can't get over how many of you have fallen so deeply in love with a 270lb. that you wouldn't trade him in order to get a player the callibur or Billy Wagner. :headshake

Edited July 29, 2005 by AddisonStSox

[RockRaines]

Fantastic.

 

If Kline and Embree don't fit the bill, think Eyre, Villone (who's pretty much considered on the trading block), etc....anyone that can get friggin lefties out is an improvement.

 

I'm serious.  Two moves oughta be made.

 

-Trade for Burnett/Wagner

-Sign or Trade for a LH reliever.

 

*Pack it up and prepare for post-season play.

I think you can add Wagner to the pen, and you are set. Cotts to get lefties out is fine with me, in fact I dont even care who you use. All I know is we have the three headed monster of Jenks, Wagner and Hermy at the back end, and that my friends, is f***ing deadly.

[RockRaines]

Addison, use your quote button better, that is the ugliest post I have seen in awhile.

 

I see you edited it.

 

Jenks wont be dealt for Wagner, the phils want starting pitching.

Edited July 29, 2005 by RockRaines

[DBAHO]

I think you can add Wagner to the pen, and you are set.  Cotts to get lefties out is fine with me, in fact I dont even care who you use.  All I know is we have the three headed monster of Jenks, Wagner and Hermy at the back end, and that my friends, is f***ing deadly.

Cotts shouldn't be used as a lefty specialist. He's better against righties and has been our best 7th inning guy all year long. Don't see any need to have Jenks pitching before Cotts in that type of situation but that's just me.

[Milkman delivers]

Coots shouldn't be used as a lefty specialist. He's better against righties and has been our best 7th inning guy all year long. Don't see any need to have Jenks pitching before Cotts in that type of situation but that's just me.

 

Haha, Coots.

[RockRaines]

White Sox | Interest In Wagner One-Sided

Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:26:22 -0700

 

The Chicago Daily Southtown's Joe Cowley is reporting the Chicago White Sox have interest in trading for Philadelphia Phillies CL Billy Wagner but have been told Wagner is not for sale.

[Dick Allen]

Like I said earlier the majority of those blown saves will have come from when he's pitched more than 1 inning.

4/22 - 2.2 IP

5/13 - 2.2 IP

5/17 - 1.1 IP

5/30 - 1 IP

6/4 - 1.2 IP

6/8 - 1.1 IP

7/26 - 2 IP

He also blew 10 saves with Cleveland in 2003. This guy is not who you want on the mound with the game on the line.

[AddisonStSox]

Addison, use your quote button better, that is the ugliest post I have seen in awhile.

 

I see you edited it.

 

Jenks wont be dealt for Wagner, the phils want starting pitching.

 

Blah, Blah, Blah.

 

We know the Phils probably wouldn't take Jenks in a Wagner trade. But, if you trade Jenks to the Rays in a Baez trade and are then able to ship him + Burnett or whatever in a trade to the Phils, Ta-Da! You have Billy Wagner.

 

Damn, I'm falling victim to the dreaded armchair technique...now, I bow out.

[DBAHO]

Haha, Coots.

My new nick-name for him. Cootsy.

[southsideirish71]

Jenks for Baez is a no-no...that, I'll agree with.

Yes!   Absolutely.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!  Survey Says: Wrong!

 

I can't get over how many of you have fallen so deeply in love with a 270lb. that you wouldn't trade him in order to get a player the callibur or Billy Wagner. :headshake

 

 

Its not his 270lb sexyness that we have fallen in love with, its when the radar gun lights up at 100 and the curve hits for a strike. Its also years and years of having guys come up from the minors that barely break 90. We crave HEAT, FILTHY HEAT. LOL

 

 

But I really dont think that it would take a Bobby Jenks to get any of those deals done. Baj, and a few of our many OF prospects. Tracey has upper 90's velocity. Plus we could add the X-FACTOR to any deal to put it over the top, DINGO!!!!!

[RockRaines]

Cotts shouldn't be used as a lefty specialist. He's better against righties and has been our best 7th inning guy all year long. Don't see any need to have Jenks pitching before Cotts in that type of situation but that's just me.

Hes good against both, and with THAT pen I dont even think we would need a lefty specialist, but thats me. When looking up his splits though, I did notice he walks righties a ton, I dont recall seeing a trend like that

[DBAHO]

He also blew 10 saves with Cleveland in 2003. This guy is not who you want on the mound with the game on the line.

He's been much better in TB than he was in Cleveland that season. The D-Rays were really the only team to take a chance on him at the end of that off-season, and it's paid off. I wouldn't really like him in a closer role, but I think he'd thrive in a set-up role like Cliff Politte. But he gives you another option and has done the job before.

[AddisonStSox]

Its not his 270lb sexyness that we have fallen in love with, its when the radar gun lights up at 100 and the curve hits for a strike.  Its also years and years of having guys come up from the minors that barely break 90.  We crave HEAT, FILTHY HEAT. LOL

But I really dont think that it would take a Bobby Jenks to get any of those deals done.  Baj, and a few of our many OF prospects.  Tracey has upper 90's velocity.  Plus we could add the X-FACTOR to any deal to put it over the top, DINGO!!!!!

 

:enter MVP logic

 

Would you rather have Jeff Badge-in-arrow or Bobby Jenks?

 

What's that? You'd rather have Jenks?

 

Now, what makes you think any professional general manager would be any different?

[RockRaines]

:enter MVP logic

 

Would you rather have Jeff Badge-in-arrow or Bobby Jenks?

 

What's that?  You'd rather have Jenks? 

 

Now, what makes you think any professional general manager would be any different?

Wow.

I would rather have Jenks than Baez anyway