LosMediasBlancas Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So, he's always kinda been a dick about Sandberg getting inducted into the HOF. This morning, I heard that now he says he won't be in attendance at the ceremony. Apparently, he has some kind of rank or title in the HOF and has never missed any HOF events. Even one if his friends said he found it hard to believe Joe won't be there. His excuse was 'family commitments'. Anyone know the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Since we're on ESPN with Baltimore, I just hope he's still gone on Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 His ego is his problem. He said he has "family commitments" that day, which is BS because when you have his role, you know when the HOF inductions are and would NOT make plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I guess he has a huge problem with Sandberg making the hall. I have never been told what this problem is. I guess he thinks he is the be-all end-all in second basemen, and noone after him should be inducted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) I guess he has a huge problem with Sandberg making the hall. I have never been told what this problem is. I guess he thinks he is the be-all end-all in second basemen, and noone after him should be inducted. Did he go when the veterans committee put in the guy from Pittsburgh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Did he go when the veterans committee put in the guy from Pittsburgh? dunno, I dont follow the HOF proceedings too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 He has missed events, that was mis-reported. He does have a problem with Sandberg going to the HOF though. I think because this is well known, its probably for the best that he's not there. You know that would be a huge topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Did he go when the veterans committee put in the guy from Pittsburgh? Bill Mazeroski? It wouldn't matter if he went to that or not. Either way, Mazeroski didn't deserve to be inducted. I wouldn't blame him for not going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 (edited) Sandberg's special day won't include Morgan Joe Morgan, the 11th second baseman elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and the Hall's vice chairman of the board of directors, has decided not to be in Cooperstown, N.Y., on Sunday when the 17th second baseman -- Cubs great Ryne Sandberg -- is inducted. ''Kind of ironic,'' Sandberg said of festivities that will include a record 50 of the 62 living Hall of Famers. Morgan, who has missed only four induction ceremonies in 15 years, says a family commitment is keeping him away. Perhaps, though it seems one more bitter moment has been added to the Morgan-Sandberg feud. Morgan, who was highly critical of Sandberg's decision to walk away from the Cubs in the middle of an awful 1994 Cubs season, never has been a vocal supporter of his fellow second baseman. When Sandberg missed the Hall during his first two appearances on the ballot, Morgan never stepped forward to voice support. FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE Here's how Ryne Sandberg stacks up against four other Hall of Fame second basemen (Nellie Fox, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan and Jackie Robinson) in the three major offensive categories: BATTING AVERAGE Hornsby .358 Robinson .311 Fox .288 SANDBERG .285 Morgan .271 HOME RUNS Hornsby 301 SANDBERG 282 Morgan 268 Robinson 137 Fox 35 RBI Hornsby 1,584 Morgan 1,133 SANDBERG 1,061 Fox 790 Robinson 734 His silence spoke volumes about where he thought Sandberg fit in among second basemen in baseball history. Whether Morgan approves or not, Sandberg will find his place in the Hall on Sunday. Where Sandberg ranks among the 17 second baseman is up for debate. Some critics argue the 6-2 Sandberg didn't have enough range to rank among the best second basemen of all time. Still, he has the highest fielding percentage among second basemen at .989, and his 277 homers were the most by a second baseman at the time of his retirement. During his landmark 1984 season, Sandberg was more than just an offensive weapon, showing he could be a force at second base, committing only six errors in 156 games of his MVP season. Don Zimmer, the Cubs' third-base coach in 1984, says he might be most impressed by Sandberg's consistency on defense. ''For a second baseman, that is something else,'' Zimmer said of the six errors. ''You get bunt plays, tag plays, double-play balls where guys are running up your back. To make six or seven errors in a season is just phenomenal.'' Sandberg's two greatest drawbacks were his low-key personality and the fact the Cubs never reached a World Series during his career in Chicago. The best second baseman of all-time? Rogers Hornsby, who won seven batting titles -- including six in a row. He hit .400 or better three times and won two Triple Crowns. Hornsby, considered the finest right-handed hitter of all time, is the only player to lead the league in slugging percentage and on-base percentage six consecutive years. Morgan might be second-best. Morgan, who showcased his skills during the Cincinnati Reds' ''Big Red Machine'' years, was a complete player who had speed, power, could hit for average and was a great fielder. He was the National League MVP in 1975 and '76. From 1973 to 1977, he won five Gold Gloves. Famous for his arm flap in the batter's box -- a timing trick suggested by former teammate and Hall of Fame second baseman Nellie Fox -- Morgan belted 268 home runs. Only Jeff Kent, Sandberg and Hornsby have more. As for Sandberg, he was the best second baseman of his era. Sandberg has the highest fielding percentage (.989) of any second baseman since 1900 and is the only second baseman to start nine All-Star Games. From 1982 to 92, he led all second basemen in average, homers, RBI, runs, extra-base hits, fielding percentage and 500-assist seasons. Despite what Morgan thinks, come Sunday, Sandberg will simply be known as a Hall of Famer. There is no disputing that. ''I've never considered myself a Hall of Famer,'' Sandberg said. ''I've never preached it or even talked about it because I never thought that way. ''It was an honor to be on the ballot the first year. I just remember the big thrill of being out of the game five years, and my name was on the ballot for the Hall of Fame. That was an honor right there.'' Edited July 29, 2005 by robinventura23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 29, 2005 Author Share Posted July 29, 2005 So, is he trying to tell us that a guy with better stats than his doesn't deserve to be in, but Morgan does? What a twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I heard that Sandberg slept with Morgan's wife. I think that is what this is really about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 The hell with Morgan. He’s just jealous that Sandberg is better than he is. BTW, I heard something about Morgan being somewhat racist again this past Sunday (when the Cubs were on ESPN). Because he was agreeing with Baker about something? Anyone know if this is true or if it sounds true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Penis envy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) Penis envy. Enough about your problems, why doesn't he like Sandberg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 morgan will be missing this sunday on the broadcast, according to the espn media zone website steve phillips and steve stone will be on the call with john miller and sam ryan on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Sam Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 QUOTE(Kogs35 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) morgan will be missing this sunday on the broadcast, according to the espn media zone website steve phillips and steve stone will be on the call with john miller and sam ryan on the field sweet. Stone is on the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Sandberg is a good player but I wouldnt really call him HOF material..... sure his fielding percantage was awesome but if you play such a small range it should be damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) Sandberg is a good player but I wouldnt really call him HOF material..... sure his fielding percantage was awesome but if you play such a small range it should be damn good. looking at Sandberg's stats if Baines isn't elected to the HOF than that is a crime because Baines is better in almost every offensive statistic except Stolen Bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 yeah but you know that your offensive numbers are graded on a curve if you play the infield (sans first) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Sandberg was clearly the best 2B in baseball for a number of years in the 80's. He is definitely a HOF. Morgan has always had a problem with Sandberg for some reason. One thought - Sandberg is white and Morgan resented all of the attention Ryne received. Whatever the reason, Morgan has shown no class in this situation. I hope when Morgan's buddy Barry Bonds gets elected, Morgan and all of the other HOF members boycott because they don't think Bonds' numbers are legit. Then, and only then, will I have respect for Morgan. I doubt it will happen, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I read that Morgan has no respect for Ryne Sandberg because of the way Sandberg ditched the Cubs in 1994. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:48 PM) I heard that Sandberg slept with Morgan's wife. I think that is what this is really about. Never Heard that, but I know a couple of Cub players were banging Sandbergs Ex-wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Joe Morgan is a racist son of a b****. Period. That is his problem with Sandberg being in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Hey, Mr.Cub, Ernie Banks is also a no show this weekend. How come he's not going to get any flak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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