Thomas done for the year

[ceffa2000]

It's not like teams didn't know before this that we may need another hitter. The White Sox are probably going to announce this anyways. It's not Bruce's fault, other teams would have found out easily. Suddenly 2 days before the deadline Kenny becomes "desperate" for another hitter after Franks doctors appointments? Hmmmm, wouldn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. While this makes it tougher on Kenny b/c its final now, other teams knew our situation.

[DABearSoX]

MJH just talked about it in their tease

 

what it say

[Greg Hibbard]

what it say

 

 

"frank thomas? HE GAWN!"

[palesox38]

So...I wonder when Huff will hit his first sox HR....

[Kalapse]

So...I wonder when Huff will hit his first sox HR....

August 2nd, 4th inning. 2nd AB at home in a Sox uni.

[3E8]

Lol -- Ben Davis is my boy!

Your handle, my sig, we could go places.

[bigred3535]

In the games he played, Frank was the most valuable bat on the team, period. Take a look at MLVr, which is a Baseball Prospectus stat that means, basically, the number of runs contributed above what the league average player would contribute, per game:

 

Derrek Lee (for comparison, as the league leader in the category): .682 runs per game

Frank Thomas (White Sox team leader): .119 runs per game

Jermaine Dye: .093

Paul Konerko: .089

Carl Everett: -.034

 

That means that, per game, Everett was worse than the league average player, while Frank was much better.

[CubsSuck1]

Damn... I wanted Frank to get that ring

[SpringfieldFan]

Such irony. There was talk in another thread saying the post all star break malaise this year doesn't compare to 2000 because we had to deal with injuries then.

 

I was wondering, rather then buying out his contract, could the Sox simply "convert" him from a rostered player to the highest paid bench coach in major league history?

 

SFF

[White Sox Josh]

MJH just talked about it in their tease

ok im gonna believe this when the Sox actually release this. I like Bruce however all they said was that "sources" told him this. I will believe it when i hear Kenny say this. When i see it on the Sox website than i believe it. He probably is done though. f***!

[CWSGuy406]

In the games he played, Frank was the most valuable bat on the team, period. Take a look at MLVr, which is a Baseball Prospectus stat that means, basically, the number of runs contributed above what the league average player would contribute, per game:

 

Derrek Lee (for comparison, as the league leader in the category): .682 runs per game

Frank Thomas (White Sox team leader): .119 runs per game

Jermaine Dye: .093

Paul Konerko: .089

Carl Everett: -.034

 

That means that, per game, Everett was worse than the league average player, while Frank was much better.

 

Thanks for posting that.

 

A move needs to be made. A .307 OBP out of the three hole isn't acceptable, and while Frank's OBP wasn't that great either, he was hitting for a ton of power.

 

I'm not sure Aubrey Huff is the answer, either. His OPS is on par with Crede's.

 

Adam Dunn? Ken Griffey? I'd be very open to getting Griffey, if Cincy ate a whole lot of the contract.

 

EDIT: And, I see I'm not the only one taking advantage of BP's free-ness till August 3rd...

Edited July 29, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[Kalapse]

In the games he played, Frank was the most valuable bat on the team, period. Take a look at MLVr, which is a Baseball Prospectus stat that means, basically, the number of runs contributed above what the league average player would contribute, per game:

 

Derrek Lee (for comparison, as the league leader in the category): .682 runs per game

Frank Thomas (White Sox team leader): .119 runs per game

Jermaine Dye: .093

Paul Konerko: .089

Carl Everett: -.034

 

That means that, per game, Everett was worse than the league average player, while Frank was much better.

I really don't give a s*** what stat you throw out there from Baseball Prospectus, I've watched every Sox game this season and I've seen a Frank Thomas that hits a HR, K's or walks and when he walks he's not necessarily helping things seeing how he's laboring around the bases. I saw him on numerous occations have Pods on 3rd with 1 out and fail to bring him in. He was horrible at the small things.

 

Sure he'd hit a HR after striking out in his first 2 ABs and then go ahead and pop out in his final AB and that was great, gotta love his HRs. But Frank was not contributing the way that this team needed him to. When he first got back for like the first 2 weeks, he did contribute and helped us build up a giant lead in the division but he fell off. I don't care what stats you wanna throw at me, I know what I saw.

 

EDIT: I'm not confortable with Everett as teh everday DH either, a move for a guy like Huff is necessary.

Edited July 29, 2005 by Kalapse

[White Sox Josh]

I really don't give a s*** what stat you throw out there from Baseball Prospectus, I've watched every Sox game this season and I've seen a Frank Thomas that hits a HR, K's or walks and when he walks he's not necessarily helping things seeing how he's laboring around the bases. I saw him on numerous occations have Pods on 3rd with 1 out and fail to bring him in. He was horrible at the small things.

 

Sure he'd hit a HR after striking out in his first 2 ABs and then go ahead and pop out in his final AB and that was great, gotta love his HRs. But Frank was not contributing the way that this team needed him to. When he first got back for like the first 2 weeks, he did contribute and helped us build up a giant lead in the division but he fell off. I don't care what stats you wanna throw at me, I know what I saw.

yes however even a bad Frank gets his teamates better pitches to hit. It's shouldn't be a surprise that Dye started to hit a lot better. He got better pitches to hit. He does much more than a lot of people think he does.

[Rowand44]

I really don't give a s*** what stat you throw out there from Baseball Prospectus, I've watched every Sox game this season and I've seen a Frank Thomas that hits a HR, K's or walks and when he walks he's not necessarily helping things seeing how he's laboring around the bases. I saw him on numerous occations have Pods on 3rd with 1 out and fail to bring him in. He was horrible at the small things.

 

Sure he'd hit a HR after striking out in his first 2 ABs and then go ahead and pop out in his final AB and that was great, gotta love his HRs. But Frank was not contributing the way that this team needed him to. When he first got back for like the first 2 weeks, he did contribute and helped us build up a giant lead in the division but he fell off. I don't care what stats you wanna throw at me, I know what I saw.

 

EDIT: I'm not confortable with Everett as teh everday DH either, a move for a guy like Huff is necessary.

[White Sox Josh]

Do they know if he refractured his ankle? Because if he didn't than he can still play. It might be painful however he can still play. If he refractured it than he is done. However if he didn't than i'm not so sure. Levine never said that he refractured it and for something like this i don't believe sources.

[bigred3535]

I don't care what stats you wanna throw at me, I know what I saw.

 

Look, the fact is Frank at his worst this year, was better than Carl's average play this year. If Carl were tp play like he did 5 years ago, he'd be a good DH. However a .250 average and .750 OPS are pathetic from one of the "strong" bats in the lineup. Carl can't take pitches and he's not a "clutch" player, so the Sox need a better DH.

[Kalapse]

Thanks Doc.

Damn it. Beat me by like 2 seconds.

[White Sox Josh]

Trade for Aubrey Huff now. What do you think the Sox would have to give up for him?

[Rowand44]

Look, the fact is Frank at his worst this year, was better than Carl's average play this year. If Carl were tp play like he did 5 years ago, he'd be a good DH. However a .250 average and .750 OPS are pathetic from one of the "strong" bats in the lineup. Carl can't take pitches and he's not a "clutch" player, so the Sox need a better DH.

Carl's the best clutch hitter we've had all year.

[Kalapse]

Read the whole post, I don't like the of Carl as the everyday DH either though he has been ridiculously clutch this season.

[CWSGuy406]

Look, the fact is Frank at his worst this year, was better than Carl's average play this year. If Carl were tp play like he did 5 years ago, he'd be a good DH. However a .250 average and .750 OPS are pathetic from one of the "strong" bats in the lineup. Carl can't take pitches and he's not a "clutch" player, so the Sox need a better DH.

 

I agree.

 

I also believe that the Sox scored about a run-per-game more with Frank in the lineup. Not to mention extending the lead to ten (plus) games.

[Yoda]

We were winning without Frank and we’ll win without Frank.

 

Sure he helps this team out more than he hurts it, but the man just wasn’t the same. Sure he hit a s*** load of HR’s, but was not walking as much as before. Like many, I also believe his career with the Sox may be over.

 

Definitely my favorite player of all time. Him and Ventura made me a Sox fan. Well... basically the early 90’s White Sox convinced me to be a die-hard Sox fan 4ever.

[Rowand44]

I agree. 

 

I also believe that the Sox scored about a run-per-game more with Frank in the lineup.  Not to mention extending the lead to ten (plus) games.

I think we all agree that we can't rely on Carl to be the dh, correct?? I just think we differ in opinion on how good Frank was. He started off fine imo but just kept getting worse and worse. To many k's in big situations when we needed to get a runner in from 3rd with less then 2 outs. Frank just wasn't that good imo no matter what his ops was.

[White Sox Josh]

with all his injuries does anybody think that because of all Frank's injuries that Sox could sign to like a Matt Morris type deal in the off-season. That's all he could hope for. Maybe like a base of $3 million with a lot of bonuses. This is assuming he isn't completely done.

Edited July 29, 2005 by White Sox Josh

[Kalapse]

I think we all agree that we can't rely on Carl to be the dh, correct??  I just think we differ in opinion on how good Frank was.  He started off fine imo but just kept getting worse and worse.  To many k's in big situations when we needed to get a runner in from 3rd with less then 2 outs.  Frank just wasn't that good imo no matter what his ops was.

My sentiments exactly.