redandwhite Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) Reading up and down this forum on the topic of steroids, all I can see is ignorant, baseless remarks that make zero sense. "They'll kill you!" "You might be good for five years, but your dead after that" "Lyle Alzado!" Yes I believe it is cheating if you knowingly take steroids as an athlete, but this is not what I am here to discuss. The bad rap that steroids get make me sick, and until today, I hadn't been able to find something that expresses how I feel. Before I post the link, I just want to say I am in no way bashing anybody here. http://www.lstoo.com/upload/HBO_Steroids.wmv Edited August 3, 2005 by redandwhite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 LALALALALALALA! I'M NOT LISTENING!!! Seriously though, when that guy is 60 and starts pissing blood and has tiny balls....that's all on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 06:58 AM) LALALALALALALA! I'M NOT LISTENING!!! Seriously though, when that guy is 60 and starts pissing blood and has tiny balls....that's all on him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well considering its a 13 minute piece, and you posted 6 minutes after I posted it, I'm going to take a wild guess that you didnt even watch it. why will he piss blood and have tiny balls? can you please explain this to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) Well considering its a 13 minute piece, and you posted 6 minutes after I posted it, I'm going to take a wild guess that you didnt even watch it. why will he piss blood and have tiny balls? can you please explain this to me? I was in the process of watching it. I am now 12 minutes into it. Your going to tell me that there are no effects? Look at the old guy's face. Look at his skin. The man look's like a manakin. I was shocked to hear that Alzado's death had no linkage to steroid though. It is just hard to believe the video because so many published reports are out ther and so many health books and resources are highly against steroid use. Since when is high cholesterol healthy. And I am sure that the accounts in the video are rare cases. Your gonna tell me that old guy know 2,500 people who have used steroids vigorously and he has followed all 2500 of them through their lives and knows for a fact that they are all alive and well? Bulls***. Your video and this photo are very different: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 If steroids are taken properly, keyword being properly, there will be little to no harmful side effects. Of course many people who suffer from the side effects shown in your poster are stupid teenagers, who don't regularly get blood work done, don't take proper doses, don't take it seriously, binge drink, etc. It's funny how in all media reports made public, and there hundreds of thousands, the word "abuse" is used instead of "use." As with any other major drug, abuse will lead to negative side effects. You can cry "bulls***" all you want, infact I was expecting most to do so, but I hope this changes the mindset for some of you, that steroids although they can be evil as the media so greatly portrays, can also be very beneficial for various goals in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Aren't steroids against the law anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 03:21 AM) Aren't steroids against the law anyways? Now that you mention it, yes they are! That kind of makes all the rest of thread a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 02:33 AM) Now that you mention it, yes they are! That kind of makes all the rest of thread a moot point. Alcohol was once against the law, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 03:58 AM) Alcohol was once against the law, as well. And cocaine was once legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Ok, I'm sorry but this thread is dumb. I've known plenty of people that have lost their lives due to roids. To think they have no harmful side effects is just f***in dumb, I'm sorry but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 04:39 AM) Ok, I'm sorry but this thread is dumb. I've known plenty of people that have lost their lives due to roids. To think they have no harmful side effects is just f***in dumb, I'm sorry but it is. I've seen the effects first hand (not from using them personally) and I think it's ignorant to say there is anything positive about them when used as pro sports players are using them. And yes.. I am bashing someone on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 04:32 AM) I've seen the effects first hand (not from using them personally) and I think it's ignorant to say there is anything positive about them when used as pro sports players are using them. And yes.. I am bashing someone on this site. Steff, my dad's best friend was a professional fighter. Growing up my dad was trained by this guy and obviously to a lesser extent I was learning as well. I was always in or around a gym where a lot of these guys hang out. I, as well have seen first hand side effects of this crap. People who don't end up with serious side effects from that junk are the exception to the rule, not the rule. Edited August 3, 2005 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Steroids are not illegal or they wouldn't sell them in pharmacies. They are used for a variety of things including recovering from cancer treatments. They can also be used in hormonal replacement. Google something besides naked women occasionally, huh fellas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 05:53 AM) Steroids are not illegal or they wouldn't sell them in pharmacies. They are used for a variety of things including recovering from cancer treatments. They can also be used in hormonal replacement. Google something besides naked women occasionally, huh fellas? Ok ... without a prescription from your doctor. Your point is made, FWIW. Edited August 3, 2005 by YASNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 05:35 AM) Steff, my dad's best friend was a professional fighter. Growing up my dad was trained by this guy and obviously to a lesser extent I was learning as well. I was always in or around a gym where a lot of these guys hang out. I, as well have seen first hand side effects of this crap. People who don't end up with serious side effects from that junk are the exception to the rule, not the rule. Nasty stuff they are... nasty and devistating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 This is going to get my official arguement thread of the day nomination.... I already see the storm clouds forming on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Brian knew a few guys that did roids in HS and after (not the "prescribed by your doctor" kind either). It apparently affected them personality wise in a big way - healthwise, he doesn't know because he put distance between himself and them (he was a competition swimmer and didn't want to take chances with his rep). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think if you are buying roids from a guy in alley behind your gym, and you're letting the guys at the gym tell you how to use them, you're taking a huge risk and will probably suffer serious side effects. If a Dr. is giving them to you (illegally, of course) and you follow what he says to the tee, you'll probably be OK. The problem is that most guys are ABUSING them. Especially, young, desperate athletes and bodybuilders. If you tell a guy to shoot 5 cc's of Decca and he sees results, you better believe he's gonna shoot 10 cc's next time. Once that same athlete goes off of their cycle and they see themselves losing size or strength, even in small amounts, do you think he's ever gonna go off roids again? It's all about bigger, stronger, faster NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Okay, so I didn't read this whole thread. BUT, I thought I would share this story with you all. My undergrad advisor was a former swimmer (competed with U of MN, and almost went to the Olympics ), and did a lot of competitive swimming in her native country (Germany). She said that a lot of the East German Women who used to swim were given steroids and ended up having to get sex changes because it effed 'em up so bad. So, I'd take her words for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Okay, so I didn't read this whole thread. BUT, I thought I would share this story with you all. My undergrad advisor was a former swimmer (competed with U of MN, and almost went to the Olympics ), and did a lot of competitive swimming in her native country (Germany). She said that a lot of the East German Women who used to swim were given steroids and ended up having to get sex changes because it effed 'em up so bad. So, I'd take her words for it. I believe it, if a woman takes enough, she becomes a man. That's an example of abuse. The people giving them the juice either didn't know enough about them or flat out didn't care. Eastern European athletes really went nuts with the juice in the 60's and 70's, even Ah-nold juiced. Those athletes were guinea pigs, most of their problems resulted from ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I agree with what LMB said about getting them from a doctor or a guy behind the gym. And for someone to say that steroids aren't harmful, well, that's just a f***ing dumbass thing to say. You're an idiot if you don't think steroids are harmful, especially for younger athletes. An idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Most drugs have side effects. Harmful and side effects are 2 different things Milk. Steroids can have side effects, yes. If a guy ignores the symptoms of side effects and continues to use, then of course it becomes harmful. When that happens, is it really the steroid or the user that's the problem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) Most drugs have side effects. Harmful and side effects are 2 different things Milk. Steroids can have side effects, yes. If a guy ignores the symptoms of side effects and continues to use, then of course it becomes harmful. When that happens, is it really the steroid or the user that's the problem?? For adolescents and teenagers, it's harmful no matter how you use them. Both physically and psychologically. The body's just not ready for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 08:21 AM) Aren't steroids against the law anyways? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steroids are against the law but against the will of all food and drug organizations in this country and because the majority of people in this world are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 3, 2005 -> 08:33 AM) Now that you mention it, yes they are! That kind of makes all the rest of thread a moot point. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why does it make it a moot point? This isn't about the legality of the drugs, its about reality versus how people use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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