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QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 06:02 PM)
Eventhough I dislike ND, to be fair you have to discount the loss to USC.

 

If most of the other teams that you are asking about played USC, they would also have 2 losses.

 

That is just giving credit where it is due, and honestly I do not think PSU is that great. They beat Wisconsin, but even as bad as Wisconsin played PSU never could really finish and it was a home game for them.

 

There is a legitimate chance PSU will not beat MSU.

 

SB

Yeah we know - and according to you they have the best offense in the Big Ten - NOT!

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Comparing who teams lost to is a bad line of logic when trying to compare teams. Arguing what would happen if the two teams played is even more asanine because none of us know what would happen. Notre Dame is a better team because they played and lost to USC? There are no moral victories in big time college football. Comparing their victories makes much more sense because it gives you a better idea of what they've accomplished. At this point Notre Dame's signiture game is a loss. The plain and simple truth is that Notre Dame's schedule is not as difficult as we had originally thought. Only two teams that they have defeated have winning records: the 5-4 BYU Cougars and the 6-3 Michigan Wolverines, who are less than stellar without Mike Hart. On top of that, ND needed some horrible plays by Michigan in the red zone to prevail. They simply haven't been tested very much.

 

Their accomplishments are fairly similar to Georgia (albiet their 1 loss to Florida came without their starting QB) and FSU (better win, but possibly even weaker schedule, and less than stellar defeats). However, compare their accomplishments to Alabama (undefeated with a win over Florida), LSU (1 loss to Tennessee where they blew the game with wins over 7-2 Auburn and Florida), Penn State (loss to Michigan, but wins over OSU, Wisconsin, and 6-3 Minnesota), Ohio State (2 losses to Texas and Penn State, beat Minnesota and MSU), Miami (1 loss to FSU where they dominated the game with wins over 7-2 Colorado and Va Tech), and Va Tech (1 loss to Miami with wins over 6-2 Ga Tech, 7-1 West Virginia, and 6-3 BC), the Irish's wins don't stack up very well. Hell, Oregon has more impressive wins (Cal, ASU, Fresno State) and only 1 loss to USC. What have the Irish really accomplished? Basically they looked good in their 2 losses and beat up on some weak teams. To me, that's not what makes a top 10 team. They may be able to compete with some of these teams, but we won't know until the bowls. They have a good offense, but their defense isn't spectacular, as shown by the fact that they allow about 25 points per game.

 

Another thing to consider with these teams is that all of them have chances to improve their resume, while Notre Dame has nothing but creampuffs left.

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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 12:52 PM)
Suddenly, 7-2 Colorado looks a ton better when you consider their losses - Miami and Texas.

Have fun stopping Vickers and their TEs. Typical Gary Barnett team. Pound the f***ing football until the other team cries for mercy.

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QUOTE(danman31 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 04:05 PM)
Have fun stopping Vickers and their TEs. Typical Gary Barnett team. Pound the f***ing football until the other team cries for mercy.

 

The ISU run D has been as good as it has in a long time. I'm more worried about the ISU CB's.

 

That being said, hopefully there's a lot more Kock this time around.

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This Afternoon: Showers and thunderstorms likely. Some of the storms could be severe, with damaging winds. Cloudy, with a high around 67. Windy, with a south southwest wind around 23 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

 

Tonight: A chance of showers and thunderstorms before 9pm, then a slight chance of showers between 9pm and midnight. Partly cloudy, with a low around 42. Windy, with a west southwest wind between 23 and 26 mph, with gusts as high as 39 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible

 

 

Should be fun.

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20-10 Iowa Final. Kirk Ferrentz, THANK YOU!

 

My Predictions for the Big Ten Bowl Games are this:

Orange Bowl: Michigan

Sugar Bowl: Penn State

Capitol One Bowl: Wisconsin

Outback Bowl: Ohio State

Sun Bowl: Northwestern

Alamo Bowl: Minnesota

Motor City Bowl: Iowa

 

Shame on you for counting out Michigan!

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 05:56 PM)
20-10 Iowa Final. Kirk Ferrentz, THANK YOU!

 

My Predictions for the Big Ten Bowl Games are this:

Orange Bowl: Michigan

Sugar Bowl: Penn State

Capitol One Bowl: Wisconsin

Outback Bowl: Ohio State

Sun Bowl: Northwestern

Alamo Bowl: Minnesota

Motor City Bowl: Iowa

 

Shame on you for counting out Michigan!

BCS 1: Penn State

BCS 2: Ohio State

Cap One: Michigan

Outback: Wisconsin

Alamo: Iowa

Sun: Minnesota

Motor City: NW

 

I don't remember the complete set of rules when it comes to Bowl selection, but expect everyone to avoid NW at all cost. Minnesota or NW could force the Alamo's hand if they finish 2 games better than Iowa. Given the choice on those bottom three though, it's going to be Iowa, Minn, NW every time.

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 06:56 PM)
20-10 Iowa Final. Kirk Ferrentz, THANK YOU!

 

My Predictions for the Big Ten Bowl Games are this:

Orange Bowl: Michigan

Sugar Bowl: Penn State

Capitol One Bowl: Wisconsin

Outback Bowl: Ohio State

Sun Bowl: Northwestern

Alamo Bowl: Minnesota

Motor City Bowl: Iowa

 

Shame on you for counting out Michigan!

 

:nono

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QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 07:32 PM)
A LOT has to happen for Michigan to win the Big Ten. Penn State and Wisc have to lose, plus they have to beat the Buckeyes next week. Not looking good.

Wisconsin already lost to Iowa. Plus Sparty is capable of beating anybody with that offense. Wisconsin is out of the Big Ten Championship picture.
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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 06:18 PM)
BCS 1: Penn State

BCS 2: Ohio State

Cap One: Michigan

Outback: Wisconsin

Alamo: Iowa

Sun: Minnesota

Motor City: NW

 

I don't remember the complete set of rules when it comes to Bowl selection, but expect everyone to avoid NW at all cost. Minnesota or NW could force the Alamo's hand if they finish 2 games better than Iowa. Given the choice on those bottom three though, it's going to be Iowa, Minn, NW every time.

either way Penn State is in. Also if Michigan does make the BCS Wisconsin will go to the Capitol One Bowl because they have never been their and it is Barry's last year.
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