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Rowand44 Grand Master

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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 10:13 PM)
    Fresno hanging with USC for now, anyway

I think they're going to stay with them all game, they can play. I'm not saying they're going to win but I don't think they get blown out like most teams against USC in the 2nd half.

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QUOTE(Pierzynski 12 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 10:36 PM)
You didn't watch the postgame show then. :rolly

 

 

You've been warned at least twice about going after posters here and being overly confrontational. There's actually very little reason you're still posting. I'll advise you now to watch how you go after people.

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QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 09:40 PM)
You rarely see a team play with the heart Georgia Tech is playing with.

spoke about an hour too soon.

fresno state is playing their guts out right now, beating USC 21-10 w/ 3 left in the 2nd.

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QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:13 AM)
I have a question, how does Notre Dame deserve a BCS bid?

 

The simple, asshole answer: because they're Notre Dame.

 

The complex answer: Well that might take awhile. But really who do you think is getting screwed for you to ask this question? Miami is out of the picture now, Va Tech will probably be repping the ACC (and if they lose to FSU they won't get an at large), Texas the big 12, whoever the big east (WVU? I don't even know), PSU the big 10, LSU or georgia in the SEC (with the loser being knocked out of contention). So that leaves OSU, ND, Oregon. So i know what you're thinking....Oregon is getting screwed. Currently, ND holds a slight margin over Oregon in the BCS. Both have losses to USC...with ND's being a "better" loss (if you could even classify a loss as such). But ND has the loss to MSU, again it was a close one, whereas Oregon has no other loss.

 

So disregarding the logistics, you have to ask yourself who really is the better team? Polls would say ND is, watching games...well you'd probably say ND as well. I mean obviously this means nothing to you coming from me. But really, ND is a quality team....I haven't seen enough of Oregon to form an opinion on them so i wont really comment on them.

 

Disregarding talent, you'd have to ask yourself hypothetically as someone in charge of the Fiesta Bowl (assuming that is where the at large team(s) would go) how can you turn down ND? High revenues, high ratings, these all come with having ND in your bowl. Is that fair to be the reason you put them in a bowl? Yes and no. No because you'd wish in a perfect world money is not a factor and the "best" teams should be in the bowl (even though i consider ND deserving). Yes because ND has earned, over time, preferential treatment because they've put the numbers up. They've given the bowl people the money they like to see, so they get the edge.

 

To me, all of this is moot because I know my team can compete on a high level and will probably do well in a major bowl. However I understand why people would think ND was not deserving, just thought i'd shed some light on the situation.

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QUOTE(Fotop @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:33 PM)
The simple, asshole answer: because they're Notre Dame.

 

The complex answer: Well that might take awhile. But really who do you think is getting screwed for you to ask this question? Miami is out of the picture now, Va Tech will probably be repping the ACC (and if they lose to FSU they won't get an at large), Texas the big 12, whoever the big east (WVU? I don't even know), PSU the big 10, LSU or georgia in the SEC (with the loser being knocked out of contention). So that leaves OSU, ND, Oregon. So i know what you're thinking....Oregon is getting screwed. Currently, ND holds a slight margin over Oregon in the BCS. Both have losses to USC...with ND's being a "better" loss (if you could even classify a loss as such). But ND has the loss to MSU, again it was a close one, whereas Oregon has no other loss.

 

So disregarding the logistics, you have to ask yourself who really is the better team? Polls would say ND is, watching games...well you'd probably say ND as well. I mean obviously this means nothing to you coming from me. But really, ND is a quality team....I haven't seen enough of Oregon to form an opinion on them so i wont really comment on them.

 

Disregarding talent, you'd have to ask yourself hypothetically as someone in charge of the Fiesta Bowl (assuming that is where the at large team(s) would go) how can you turn down ND? High revenues, high ratings, these all come with having ND in your bowl. Is that fair to be the reason you put them in a bowl? Yes and no. No because you'd wish in a perfect world money is not a factor and the "best" teams should be in the bowl (even though i consider ND deserving). Yes because ND has earned, over time, preferential treatment because they've put the numbers up. They've given the bowl people the money they like to see, so they get the edge.

 

To me, all of this is moot because I know my team can compete on a high level and will probably do well in a major bowl. However I understand why people would think ND was not deserving, just thought i'd shed some light on the situation.

 

Great post fotop. I personally don't think ND should be in but everything you said makes perfect sense. Well done. :cheers

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QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:13 AM)
I have a question, how does Notre Dame deserve a BCS bid?

 

Personally, I don't know. I've been saying for a while that they haven't done as much as people think, and that their schedule is nowhere near as good as originally thought. They've only beat three teams with a winning record: BYU at 6-5, Michigan at 7-4, and Navy at 6-4. Considering that two of those teams play less than stellar competition, that's pretty weak. Plus there's a loss to the 5-6 Michigan State Spartans. Their best game was a loss to USC. As I've said before, there is no such thing as a moral victory or a good loss in big time college football. Frankly, I don't see why they should get an at large bid over teams like whoever loses out of Va Tech and Miami, Ohio State, the team that doesn't go to the SEC title game out of LSU and Auburn (probably the latter), or Oregon. Hell, Texas Tech has similar results to Notre Dame, but they aren't the Chicago Cubs of college football. They haven't won a bowl game since 1994, but everyone loves them regardless.

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QUOTE(Fotop @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:33 PM)
The simple, asshole answer: because they're Notre Dame.

 

The complex answer: Well that might take awhile. But really who do you think is getting screwed for you to ask this question? Miami is out of the picture now, Va Tech will probably be repping the ACC (and if they lose to FSU they won't get an at large), Texas the big 12, whoever the big east (WVU? I don't even know), PSU the big 10, LSU or georgia in the SEC (with the loser being knocked out of contention). So that leaves OSU, ND, Oregon. So i know what you're thinking....Oregon is getting screwed. Currently, ND holds a slight margin over Oregon in the BCS. Both have losses to USC...with ND's being a "better" loss (if you could even classify a loss as such). But ND has the loss to MSU, again it was a close one, whereas Oregon has no other loss.

 

So disregarding the logistics, you have to ask yourself who really is the better team? Polls would say ND is, watching games...well you'd probably say ND as well. I mean obviously this means nothing to you coming from me. But really, ND is a quality team....I haven't seen enough of Oregon to form an opinion on them so i wont really comment on them.

 

Disregarding talent, you'd have to ask yourself hypothetically as someone in charge of the Fiesta Bowl (assuming that is where the at large team(s) would go) how can you turn down ND? High revenues, high ratings, these all come with having ND in your bowl. Is that fair to be the reason you put them in a bowl? Yes and no. No because you'd wish in a perfect world money is not a factor and the "best" teams should be in the bowl (even though i consider ND deserving). Yes because ND has earned, over time, preferential treatment because they've put the numbers up. They've given the bowl people the money they like to see, so they get the edge.

 

To me, all of this is moot because I know my team can compete on a high level and will probably do well in a major bowl. However I understand why people would think ND was not deserving, just thought i'd shed some light on the situation.

That is a good post from an unbiased ND fan. :cheers

The main angle I was going with is...

 

One of Oregon, OSU, ND will get left out, like you said.

 

ND and Oregon have both lost to USC. ND's 2nd loss was to MSU while Oregon has no 2nd loss. Doesn't that leave them more qualified?

 

Then there is OSU who I figure will get in - afterall their 2 losses are to top 5 ranked teams by a total of 9 points.

 

I definitely understand the whole they are ND, they will get higher ratings, etc. I get that, but from a football and results standpoint can you really justfiy having them in over Oregon? I am not in a position to call Oregon a better team than ND becuase quite frankly I don't watch Oregon too often, but it appears to me as though they have earned a BCS game more than Notre Dame has.

 

Oh well I have accepted the fact that ND will get a BCS game as strange as it seems to me.

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QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:39 AM)
That is a good post from an unbiased ND fan.  :cheers

The main angle I was going with is...

 

One of Oregon, OSU, ND will get left out, like you said.

 

ND and Oregon have both lost to USC.  ND's 2nd loss was to MSU while Oregon has no 2nd loss.  Doesn't that leave them more qualified?

 

Then there is OSU who I figure will get in - afterall their 2 losses are to top 5 ranked teams by a total of 9 points.

 

I definitely understand the whole they are ND, they will get higher ratings, etc.  I get that, but from a football and results standpoint can you really justfiy having them in over Oregon?  I am not in a position to call Oregon a better team than ND becuase quite frankly I don't watch Oregon too often, but it appears to me as though they have earned a BCS game more than Notre Dame has.

 

Oh well I have accepted the fact that ND will get a BCS game as strange as it seems to me.

 

I really think the qualification question falls on the pollsters. If ND isn't that great, why are the ranked so high? I mean you could play the media bias card but a lot of people in the media hate ND just as much as they love them. For most of us who haven't seen Oregon enough this is pretty much the only quantifiable way to judge the quality of teams. I mean even the BCS standings say ND is more deserving. So, if you believe in all of that then ND is the one that has "earned" it more. Personally I think the BCS is bulls***, but it's the system we've got.

 

Btw, the computers in the BCS poll are screwing ND, yet they still are ahead of Oregon in the overall standings

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Reggie Bush... What more can you say? He looks like Gayle Sayers did in the old NFL films. Except that Gale was playing against slower white guys for the most part and Reggie just makes even the best athletes on the opposing sidelines look silly.

 

With that said, Fresno isn't folding yet, even after 28 points given up in the 3rd quarter.

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