RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) they might say finish college. He will be a top 10 pick either way. not if he tears out his knee he wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:21 PM) How is he not as proven. Hart had 1 good season, his fresh year, and Sutton had one good season. How is Hart all of a sudden this "proven" RB? In his second year he had 150 rushing attempts, 662 yards and 4 TD's roughly the same stats as Chris Taylor from IU. s*** heres something for the U of I boys, Pierre Thomas had less rushing attempts, more yards and more TD's. Hart was also hurt for a lot of the year. When healthy (in games he was in for the full 4 quarters) he had 626 yards. He also hasn't fumbled in 363 attempts. If you don't think that Hart is an impact player you are blind and haven't seen the difference between Michigan with him and without him. Watch the MSU game in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:34 PM) Yah but personally I think Calhoun is the best RB Wisconsin has had in the last 7 years, and that includes Dayne, Bennet, and Anthony Davis. I also would say that Sutton and Maroney are better than Hart. Maroney and Barber both were better than Hart. Josh over-rates anyone that plays for Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:27 PM) Maroney and Barber both were better than Hart. Josh over-rates anyone that plays for Michigan. I said in 2006. Going into 2006. Most experts would agree that Mike Hart is an impact player. And I think Steve Breaston is OVERRATED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) I don't think Sutton is better and Maroney=He Gone. Sutton has a problem with fumbling the ball. He is an explosive runner but I don't think he is as proven as Hart. Maroney was the best in 05 but he entered the draft. Mike Hart when he was healthy gained 626 yards in 5 games. He is an impact player. He also hasn't fumbled the ball in like 363 rushing attempts. Albert Young is as good of a college running back as Hart. Just look at the numbers he put up. And no I don't think Albert Young is a great running back. Just saying Hart isn't this special back you make him out to be. I also agree that Calhoun, among others in the big 10, are better RB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:26 PM) Hart was also hurt for a lot of the year. When healthy (in games he was in for the full 4 quarters) he had 626 yards. He also hasn't fumbled in 363 attempts. If you don't think that Hart is an impact player you are blind and haven't seen the difference between Michigan with him and without him. Watch the MSU game in 2005. Well, usually a starting running back is a difference maker. If the only think you can tie him to is one game, then thats fine. He has a good amount of rushing attempts, and his stats were as good or worse than most of the running backs in the Big Ten for the same amount of attempts. His yards/carry were subpar. He is a good running back, but you are overrating him here. Saying he is "proven" because of one good season is ridiculous, especially when you downgrade another RB who had one good season equal to that of Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) I said in 2006. Going into 2006. Most experts would agree that Mike Hart is an impact player. And I think Steve Breaston is OVERRATED! Going forward huh? SO you see next year Hart being the top RB in the big ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) Going forward huh? SO you see next year Hart being the top RB in the big ten? I don't. Albert Young and Calhoun will each be better. Minny still has depth at RB despite losing Maroney and there system is very strong when it comes to rushing the ball. Josh has a Michigan hard on and over-rates anyone that played for the Big Blue. Although he does underrate Henne since he blames him for everything. Look at how long it took Brady Quinn, its rare to see young QB's come in and excel at a very high level from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Actually you said that Hart was the best back in the big 10. He isnt the best back this year, he isnt going to be next year, and even in 2 years he will not be. If the Wolverines do not have serious competition at the RB position, then they may really have some problems. Impact player is a much different term then best back. Every RB, even on the worst team, is by definition an impact player. They handle the ball around 40% of the total offensive plays, that is always impact. Atleast I dont have to hear that Leinart is the next Tom Brady. That statement has been pissing me off for a week. Its so inaccurate it makes me wonder if the person who made the statement even had a clue about Tom Brady in college. SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Albert Young is as good of a college running back as Hart. Just look at the numbers he put up. And no I don't think Albert Young is a great running back. Just saying Hart isn't this special back you make him out to be. I also agree that Calhoun, among others in the big 10, are better RB's. HE WAS HURT LAST YEAR! AVERAGE THE NUMBERS WHEN HE PLAYED HEALTHY (5 games) he averaged 125.2 yards. Put that up for 12 games and it is 1502 yards. Look at his first season when he had 3 consecutive 200 yard games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) I don't. Albert Young and Calhoun will each be better. Minny still has depth at RB despite losing Maroney and there system is very strong when it comes to rushing the ball. Josh has a Michigan hard on and over-rates anyone that played for the Big Blue. Although he does underrate Henne since he blames him for everything. Look at how long it took Brady Quinn, its rare to see young QB's come in and excel at a very high level from the get go. Calhoun and Young are extremely productive. Of course being a homer I like Pittman to have alot of yards based on an improved offense, but he is nowhere as good as Calhoun at this point. Calhoun had 2 5 td games this year correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) Going forward huh? SO you see next year Hart being the top RB in the big ten? yes. I see him being a player in the Heisman race if he can stay healthy. he is that good. Most experts agree with me. He is ranked in the top 5 by several publications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:35 PM) HE WAS HURT LAST YEAR! AVERAGE THE NUMBERS WHEN HE PLAYED HEALTHY (5 games) he averaged 125.2 yards. Put that up for 12 games and it is 1502 yards. Look at his first season when he had 3 consecutive 200 yard games. Hahahahaha. Yeah that makes alot of sense, because every teams defense is the same. When he was Healthy he barely broke 100 yards against a MAC team!!! He had one of the lowest yards per carry of any RB, and running QB's in the big ten, how in the hell does that translate to that many yards??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:37 PM) yes. I see him being a player in the Heisman race if he can stay healthy. he is that good. Most experts agree with me. He is ranked in the top 5 by several publications. Whoa dude, did you just say Hart for Heisman?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) HE WAS HURT LAST YEAR! AVERAGE THE NUMBERS WHEN HE PLAYED HEALTHY (5 games) he averaged 125.2 yards. Put that up for 12 games and it is 1502 yards. Look at his first season when he had 3 consecutive 200 yard games. Well Young led the conference in rushing (in terms of in big 10 play). Sutton (Freshman) was a freaking monster for NU and we all know what Maroney can do. Hell, I say Russel (Minnesota's new starting RB) will be better next year than Hart. There are at least a handful of Rb's that are better. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. By the way in no way shape or form do I think Young will be the best RB in the big 10, but he's got a far better shot than Hart at doing so and I actually think Young will have a very good year once again. That said Iowa's problem is going to be on the defensive end. They shore up that defense and they'll be dangerous. They weren't able to do it this year and it bit em in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) Whoa dude, did you just say Hart for Heisman?? Whoa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Hart isnt even the best RB in the Big Ten, let alone the best RB in the country. Now Josh claims he just may be the best PLAYER in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Ill bet you that Hart is not invited to the heisman ceremony. The only way he even has a chance at being the best Big 10 back is if Calhoun declares. Calhoun was the 4th highest rusher this year. He had over 2100 yards from scrimmage. Mike Hart in his entire career has 2400 yards from scrimmage. Hart has 15 TD's total in his career, Calhoun had 22 rushing TDs this year and 2 receiving. I hope your basing this off of Calhoun entering the draft, but even then I think the next Wisconsin back will probably out gain Hart. SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 03:28 PM) Calhoun is better. SB Ah, but who lead the Big Ten in rushing without the inflation from the patsy games early in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Jas, I agree with you on Young. He's a good RB. I think if they would have worked harder to establish him, the Hawks would have won. They toally went away from him late against both ISU and Florida and they lost. The Iowa WR corps wasn't good enough to try and carry the team when the RB was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Here is ESPN's take on next year http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto..._pat&id=2281099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:37 PM) yes. I see him being a player in the Heisman race if he can stay healthy. he is that good. Most experts agree with me. He is ranked in the top 5 by several publications. im still in awe with this comment. Can we file this under the Kyle Orton appreciation thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) Cheat, No clue every Big 10 back that is in the top 5 gained a significant amount of yardage against non top 25 teams. But on that same token, so did Reggie Bush and Deangelo. I mean should Calhoun be penalized because unlike Young he put up good stats against the teams he was supposed to dominate? Edited January 5, 2006 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 WVU at #3 seems like a bit of a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 05:48 PM) WVU at #3 seems like a bit of a reach. So is keeping IU out of the top 25. Damn you ESPN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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