baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Bret Boone is a clutch hitter and play defense like Ray or even better... 30 HR, 100 RBIs for Boone. boone did that once...in like a 12 year career... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 is there a slower 2nd baseman in all of baseball????..whoever coined jimenez as the "latin paul konerko" regaurding his speed hit it right on the head.... Now that's just silly, baggs. Please watch some games. Jimemenz should have 4 SB right now if he gets the benefit of the doubt on coupla calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 re: Fernandez ... the point is, he's NOT close to being ready. Ready for what, AAA? He was in AA with the Sox last year too (B-ham). There is also a question as to whether he's really that young too ... if you believe what BA said last year. How can one possibly criticize a trade which sends two questionable prospects in Humberto Quintero and this Fernandez kid for a guy who is contributing at the major league level? I mean, Williams has done enough dumb things, why pick on a trade the Sox clearly won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 re: Fernandez ... the point is, he's NOT close to being ready. Ready for what, AAA? He was in AA with the Sox last year too (B-ham). There is also a question as to whether he's really that young too ... if you believe what BA said last year. How can one possibly criticize a trade which sends two questionable prospects in Humberto Quintero and this Fernandez kid for a guy who is contributing at the major league level? I mean, Williams has done enough dumb things, why pick on a trade the Sox clearly won? how much have you seen jimenez play???...yeah he is hitting pretty good now...i expect his average to drop downwards of 270 ish...he has a good eye and will draw his share of walks..over the season probably carry a 350-360 OBP....but he has little power , 10 homers maybe and absolutely no speed..and if there is a worse defensive 2nd baseman in baseball i havent seen it...i know some of that is due to his accident which is a shame but still, he has no range and when he is moving to his left or right he can not get the glove down on the ground...how many balls have gone right under his glove???...and dive for a ball and get up and throw a guy out???..forget it...plus his attitude has been documented in here by steff and HSC , valentin talked about how lazy he is in ST and cwsox relayed info about how he dovee for a ball and just laid on the ground cause he missed and didnt get up into cut off position or cover 2nd...is he really the kind of ballplayer that will help the sox to the division title??? maybe im so hard on jimenez because so many the first week of the season were saying ray who..and after jose , ray was my favorite...but i see alot of negatives in jimenez... we needed to resign durham badly imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Now that's just silly, baggs. Please watch some games. Jimemenz should have 4 SB right now if he gets the benefit of the doubt on coupla calls. youre not calling the one last night a bad call are you???..jimenez was clearly out...and that was on a change up low and outside where the catcher threw it to the wrong side of the bag and boone still was able to catch it and sweep the tag all the way over to the other side of the bag...anyone with decent speed makes that standing up...the other one i dont remember..but i do know he is slower than molasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I've seen every game but one this year Baggs, and most of the games last year he played in. And you? Again ... he's not The Second Coming but he's far from the worst thing wrong with this team. To base an argument on "we shouldn't have traded Fernandez" doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 we needed to keep fernendez because we dont have a CF prospect thats not due to arrive before '07.. look what we got in trade for ray durham jimenez , with all his problems in san diego was worth no more than a PTBNL...remember it was a serious buyer's market last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Fernandez = not a top prospect. Quintero = not a top prospect. Jimenez ... with all his faults duly noted (or perhaps exaggerated by some, maybe not) = contributing at the major league level. What they got in trade for Durham is another issue entirely. I personally would've rather had the comp draft choices ... but that whole issue was up for debate with the new CBA at the time of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Fernandez = not a top prospect. Quintero = not a top prospect. Jimenez ... with all his faults duly noted (or perhaps exaggerated by some, maybe not) = contributing at the major league level. What they got in trade for Durham is another issue entirely. I personally would've rather had the comp draft choices ... but that whole issue was up for debate with the new CBA at the time of the trade. true...kinda a reach on my part there...ill give ya this one..we'll just leave it at im not fan of jimenez...now im gonna go get a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Fernandez = not a top prospect. Quintero = not a top prospect. Jimenez ... with all his faults duly noted (or perhaps exaggerated by some, maybe not) = contributing at the major league level. What they got in trade for Durham is another issue entirely. I personally would've rather had the comp draft choices ... but that whole issue was up for debate with the new CBA at the time of the trade. true...kinda a reach on my part there...ill give ya this one..we'll just leave it at im not fan of jimenez...now im gonna go get a drink one for me - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Koch. White. Colon and Buerhle have been average. Billy Botch has been average? Are you out of your mind ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Koch. White. Colon and Buerhle have been average. Billy Botch has been average? Are you out of your mind ? damn..that sure struck a nerve huh CK. have a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 CK ... I put Koch on the underachievers list. Then I said Buerhle and Colon were performing "average". Koch is clearly underachieving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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