CSF Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 According to the Arizona Republic, Gretzky will be announced tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Baaaaaaaaaad, baaaaaaaaaaaad move, Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I think wayne did this for the sake of the league... just another attraction for fans this year. This is going to be a fun year in the NHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I don't understand how Gretzky can be doubted as a coach. For one, the Coyotes aren't that bad. Take a look at their roster and tell me they don't have as much chance to win as anybody. They've got arguably one of the best two-way defenseman in the league in Morris, Tanabe, O'Donnell, Ference, Mara, are all solid NHL vets, and with Gauthier coming up this year, they're going to have a solid D-Core. Their offense is filled with good players: Comrie, Hull, Nedved, Doan, Saprykin, Ricci, Nagy. Plenty of goal scorers, and they still have room left under the cap. Boucher is a solid goalie, I'm not sold on him, and I don't think Coyotes management is either, so I think they'll be upgrading in that department. As for the Great One as a coach, no one could see the ice better than him. No one could take what seemed to be a non-opportunity into a scoring chance like he could. I'm not saying he can teach this to every one of his players, because he can't. But there's no way that the all-time leading scorer, who's records will probably never be broken, doesn't know the game of hockey as good or better than any of the best coaches out there. Gretz will be successful, Phoenix will go far in the West, maybe even to the finals if they get a solid goalie. GREAT move by the GREAT one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) I don't understand how Gretzky can be doubted as a coach. For one, the Coyotes aren't that bad. Take a look at their roster and tell me they don't have as much chance to win as anybody. They've got arguably one of the best two-way defenseman in the league in Morris, Tanabe, O'Donnell, Ference, Mara, are all solid NHL vets, and with Gauthier coming up this year, they're going to have a solid D-Core. Their offense is filled with good players: Comrie, Hull, Nedved, Doan, Saprykin, Ricci, Nagy. Plenty of goal scorers, and they still have room left under the cap. Boucher is a solid goalie, I'm not sold on him, and I don't think Coyotes management is either, so I think they'll be upgrading in that department. As for the Great One as a coach, no one could see the ice better than him. No one could take what seemed to be a non-opportunity into a scoring chance like he could. I'm not saying he can teach this to every one of his players, because he can't. But there's no way that the all-time leading scorer, who's records will probably never be broken, doesn't know the game of hockey as good or better than any of the best coaches out there. Gretz will be successful, Phoenix will go far in the West, maybe even to the finals if they get a solid goalie. GREAT move by the GREAT one. Trust me, I know Phoenix's organization very well... this is NOT a good move by Gretzky, unless he's getting more control then he has now, and I'm not talking about coaching control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 7, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) Trust me, I know Phoenix's organization very well... this is NOT a good move by Gretzky, unless he's getting more control then he has now, and I'm not talking about coaching control. Please explain why you believe it's not a good move by Gretzky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Generally speaking, and of course there are exceptions, great players don't make great coaches. Not exactly sure why that is, maybe they don't have as much patience with "lesser" players, or maybe they didn't need as much teaching so they don't know how to teach? I wish Wayne well, he seems to really care about the well-being of the league and the Coyotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 03:43 AM) Please explain why you believe it's not a good move by Gretzky #1, the organization is totally incompetant. #2, that team is not as good as you think. Because of #1 above, the team has not done well in the past few years. I think they'll be better, but not that good. #3, great vision and playmaking abilities on the ice doesn't translate into his players when he's behind the bench. #4, this is for show, he doesn't need the "challenge". #5, really, he cares more about Team Canada then he does the Coyotes, although Mr. Barnett is making him think otherwise. I could go on, but that's enough to get started. Plus, if I say too much, I'll get killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(The Critic @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) Generally speaking, and of course there are exceptions, great players don't make great coaches. Not exactly sure why that is, maybe they don't have as much patience with "lesser" players, or maybe they didn't need as much teaching so they don't know how to teach? I wish Wayne well, he seems to really care about the well-being of the league and the Coyotes. With that new arena in Glendale and with everything that's happened with hockey over the past year, this is a move probably moreso for the future of hockey in Phoenix and to get people back talking about hockey again I suppose. But like kap said, I think a lot of people are overrating Phoenix. They don't have a star player, and they're top few lines aren't going to really worry many teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 7, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) But like kap said, I think a lot of people are overrating Phoenix. They don't have a star player, and they're top few lines aren't going to really worry many teams. Yea, Comrie, Hull, and Morris aren't stars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) Yea, Comrie, Hull, and Morris aren't stars... Comrie - He's still very small, and only had 24 points in 51 games in his last season with the Yotes. Let's see how he does in a full season under Gretsky before anyone calls him a star. Hull - How much does he have left in the tank? Can he keep putting up 60+ point seasons? We'll see. Morris - One of the best young defenseman in the league no doubt, but Phoenix will be the 3rd team he's been on in his NHL career. Will be great on their PP unit however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Comrie will be a great fit there, but that's just about all they have. Hull, meh. He'll do "ok"... but his success depends if they really do open up the game. He's always been a damn good cherry picker. Morris is an enigma. But he's not the quality that most other teams have in their division, forget the conference. I know Phoenix's organization well. Gretzky has nothing to prove and his legacy goes no-where but down unless they win it all, right away, and unless something really weird happens, they're not going to. Phoenix is one of the worst run teams in the league, and that will translate downstairs on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Comrie will be a great fit there, but that's just about all they have. Hull, meh. He'll do "ok"... but his success depends if they really do open up the game. He's always been a damn good cherry picker. Morris is an enigma. But he's not the quality that most other teams have in their division, forget the conference. I know Phoenix's organization well. Gretzky has nothing to prove and his legacy goes no-where but down unless they win it all, right away, and unless something really weird happens, they're not going to. Phoenix is one of the worst run teams in the league, and that will translate downstairs on the ice. From what I've read since they're probably going to miss out on re-signing Burke, they're becoming more interested in Thibault. But what problems do Phoenix have in the organization Kap? Do they just have bad owners e.g the Orioles with Peter Angelos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 05:37 AM) From what I've read since they're probably going to miss out on re-signing Burke, they're becoming more interested in Thibault. But what problems do Phoenix have in the organization Kap? Do they just have bad owners e.g the Orioles with Peter Angelos? They have very little vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Aug 7, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) I think wayne did this for the sake of the league... just another attraction for fans this year. This is going to be a fun year in the NHL Exactly what I was thinking. Nothing like a sideshow to entertain the fans. BTW, and this may be a meaningless stat, but exactly one of the top 75 scorers who turned coach posted a winning lifetime record. Not too many HoF players turn into great HoF caliber coaches in any sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 This smells a lot like Magic Johnson coaching the Lakers a few years back. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The game is different then it was 15 years ago, and while I know he knows that, I guarantee you he wouldn't be but about 3/4's of the player today. He couldn't take a hit, and the boys today don't give a crap who you are. Crosby's about to learn that. The game is a LOT more physical, rule changes or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Too bad Wayne still can't play...he would be much more useful to the Yotes that way than coaching...Good luck though Great One!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly8509CWS Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 07:13 AM) This smells a lot like Magic Johnson coaching the Lakers a few years back. :banghead Does that mean Wayne will have his own really, really bad TV show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) Does that mean Wayne will have his own really, really bad TV show? Possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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