Nightengale's Griffey/ Sox update

[sayitaintso]

Not to be a downer, but in regards to Crede and a long-term contract:

 

Wouldn't that be difficult with Bora$$ as his agent?

I think that it would be difficult to negotiate with bora$$, but why would we give crede a long term contract ?

[YASNY]

Oh Juggs.... Google can be a wonderful thing.  This is  a Stark column from last year.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...yson&id=1860265

 

Here are some highlights

And this article

 

http://kmbumb.people.wm.edu/roster/glossary.html

 

:crickets:

[knightni]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

[kdhargo]

I think that it would be difficult to negotiate with bora$$, but why would we give crede a long term contract ?

 

Read an earlier post that suggested it.

[YASNY]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

 

Who knows? But, that was the deal.

[YASNY]

Asked if he'd prefer to stay in Cincinnati, Griffey said: "I'd prefer to win."

 

That little blurb is from the Cincinatti Enquirer

[Rowand44]

That little blurb is from the Cincinatti Enquirer

So he wants to stay in Cinci is what you're saying?

[Rowand44]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

Because they're the Reds.

[beck72]

why would we give crede a long term contract ?

I guess you've missed Joe's gold glove defense this yr, and the fact that there are few guys for 3b out there to replace him. A three yr deal along the lines of Arow and Uribe isn't out of the question for Crede.

 

The way Ozzie has been gushing all yr about Joe, it's safe to say Crede should stick around for a while

[beck72]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

Only Liotta could go in a trade, both Sean and Baj are on the sox 40 man

[EvilJester99]

Shouldn't Griff be cleared or claimed by now??

[SpringfieldFan]

From the Dayton newspaper:

 

The rumor surfaced again Friday in Chicago newspapers, based solely on a report that New York General Manager Brian Cashman said the Yankees wouldn't claim Griffey if the Reds placed him on waivers.

 

It is believed that Griffey already has cleared waivers, without being claimed, so the Reds could trade him if they wish, although O'Brien has said he is not interested in trading any of his outfielders.

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...813griffey.html

 

 

SFF

[fathom]

From the Dayton newspaper:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...813griffey.html

SFF

 

Well, this is going to get everyone's hopes up. Unless the Reds ownership has a change of heart, it means nothing.

[DBAHO]

Your reasoning???  PLEASE???  They have no centerfielder and bottomless pockets, why would they not claim Junior?

Steinbrenner won't want to keep paying a guy until 2025, especially when the payroll is already $200M.

 

Then of course they'd have to work out a trade for Junior. They have pretty much no-one in their minor league system besides Eric Duncan (who's struggling at AAA).

 

Is Ken Griffey Jr. going to be the answer for them to win the World Series when they have already sub standard pitching besides Johnson and Mussina (albeit Chacon has pitched well lately)?

[beck72]

The link wasn't working. Here's the text of the Dayton Daily news article:

 

MILWAUKEE | It's a rumor with a dusty shelf life, a trade of Ken Griffey Jr. to the Chicago White Sox.

 

All Griffey wants is a parade, with confetti, signifying that a team on which he played won a World Series.

 

And for sure the White Sox are fathoms closer than Griffey's Cincinnati Reds.

 

But there is zero credence to reports that Griffey is Chicago-bound.

 

The rumor surfaced again Friday in Chicago newspapers, based solely on a report that New York General Manager Brian Cashman said the Yankees wouldn't claim Griffey if the Reds placed him on waivers.

 

It is believed that Griffey already has cleared waivers, without being claimed, so the Reds could trade him if they wish, although O'Brien has said he is not interested in trading any of his outfielders.

 

Because the Yankees are one of the few teams that can afford Griffey, when Cashman said the Yankees wouldn't claim him, that clears the way for the White Sox. The Chisox are the team to which it was reported — and denied — had a deal done with the Reds two days before the non-waiver trade deadline, only to have CEO Carl Lindner say no.

 

So now the Chicago media says it could happen again, and the denials are flying.

 

"I don't pay any attention to any of it," said Griffey. "I just keep playing. If I worried about that stuff, I'd be miserable."

 

Griffey's Cincinnati-based agent, Brian Goldberg, said the Reds didn't talk to him or Griffey about a trade before the deadline and haven't talked to them this week.

 

"John Allen (Reds COO) told me on the Wednesday before the trade deadline (Sunday, July 31) that nothing was going on, Junior wasn't going anywhere," said Goldberg.

 

Two days later, it was reported that Allen and General manager Dan O'Brien agreed on a trade of Griffey to the White Sox with GM Ken Williams for three minor-leaguers.

 

The report said Williams was told the trade needed approval from Lindner but it was late and they would check with him Saturday morning. That's when Lindner allegedly nixed the deal, although Allen and O'Brien deny it happened.

 

If the Reds do trade Griffey, they must get his approval because he is a 10-and-5 player and also has four teams to whom he would accept a trade listed in his contract — Atlanta, Houston, Los Angeles, St. Louis.

 

"I haven't heard from the Reds so I assume nothing is going on," said Goldberg. "If they tell us something is going on, we'd have to keep an open mind and decide yes or no."

 

Griffey talked candidly and pointedly about his situation before Friday's game in Miller Park against the Milwaukee Brewers.

 

Asked about his desire to win a World Series ring, Griffey said, "As a kid, you didn't talk about how much money you would make. You talked about hitting a home run in the All-Star game or that 3-and-2 walkoff home run in Game 7 of the World Series.

 

"You want to be in that (championship) parade when the city gets to rip up a few documents," he said. "That nice convertible ride down the street waving at everybody."

 

Will he need to OK another city to make that happen?

 

"I'll cross that when it happens," he said. "I'm going out to do what I'm supposed to do for this ball club. If the organization feels they need to make a change with me, then we'll look at it and I'll make up my mind. If not, I'll continue doing what I'm doing here.

 

"I have control over where I would go, but I have no control over who (the Reds) talk to and what they talk about."

 

Griffey wouldn't say he prefers to stay in Cincinnati and when asked that he said, "I prefer to win. I have to do what I have to do, as far the 24 guys in this room and not letting them down, no matter my situation. I depend on these guys and they depend on me."

 

The perplexing question is that if Griffey wants so badly to wear the jewelry does he believe it can happen in his playing life in Cincinnati.

 

"A parade is a parade," he said. "Yeah, I can see it happening here. We just have to play consistent. The first half we didn't play offense or defense, but the second half we've played a lot better. That's a test for everybody in here to send somebody else home with you."

 

Griffey was asked if knocking a team out of the playoffs was enough and he said, "No, but considering how we played the first half, it makes the off-season a little better that you can send somebody home with you.

 

"Yes, they have a whole lot of work to do here, but if we have a strong next six weeks we'll have a lot to look forward to next year."

 

With or without Griffey?

[beck72]

Well, this is going to get everyone's hopes up.  Unless the Reds ownership has a change of heart, it means nothing.

IMO, what all this "news" means is that if any team has a chance at getting Jr., the sox probably have the best chance.

 

Seeing how he'd be the best player available via the waiver wire and best bat out there by far, though, he'd be quite a coup for the sox to add. [Esp. as the sox benefit from the lack of player movement around the other AL teams] Some probably overstate the odds of a deal happening. But it's still a possibility

[southsider2k5]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

To free up $40 million in payroll to get some major league pitchers, which is what they really need.

[Chisoxfn]

I guess you've missed Joe's gold glove defense this yr, and the fact that there are few guys for 3b out there to replace him. A three yr deal along the lines of Arow and Uribe isn't out of the question for Crede.

 

The way Ozzie has been gushing all yr about Joe, it's safe to say Crede should stick around for a while

Crede will sign an extension or at the very least go to arbitration. I could see him getting like a 3yr 12 mill deal though.

[southsider2k5]

Crede will sign an extension or at the very least go to arbitration.  I could see him getting like a 3yr 12 mill deal though.

 

Our best hope is that Crede goes the Uribe route and dumps Borass while signing an extension at the sametime. Otherwise I think we go the arbit route with him.

[3E8]

Why would Cincy want Young and Rogowski?

 

They have plenty of 1b/OF position players.

 

They would want SP most likely.

 

Possibly Tracey, Baj and Liotta.

I agree with you that they would want arms.

 

But scratch Tracey and Baj from the equation because they are currently on the 40-man.

[Chisoxfn]

The more I think about it, the more I would be angry if they dealt Chris Young in a package. Now Gio would be another story. I'd give up Gio and a mid tier prospect or two.

[Adam G]

Crede will sign an extension or at the very least go to arbitration.  I could see him getting like a 3yr 12 mill deal though.

The question of course being whether Boras thinks that's enough for Joe Crede. I think not.

[knightni]

You don't think Baj or Tracey would make it through waivers?

 

Ehh.. they might not. But, they aren't exactly BMAC or Jenks.

[Kalapse]

You don't think Baj or Tracey would make it through waivers?

 

Ehh.. they might not. But, they aren't exactly BMAC or Jenks.

There's a ton of teams that would claim a guy like Sean Tracey especially, someone that throws that hard and is as young as he is would get claimed by a lot of teams. Also Baj who is still only 28, very cheap and kicking ass at AAA, he may not look to be a Major league relief pitcher for the White Sox but I'm sure someone would claim him and put him in their bullpen. Putting in a claim for a guy like Baj or Tracey is litteraly like no risk all reward.

[nitetrain8601]

The more I think about it, the more I would be angry if they dealt Chris Young in a package.  Now Gio would be another story.  I'd give up Gio and a mid tier prospect or two.

 

You have to give up something to get something. Young won't be contributing to this team. Griffey would. Not everyone is the Pittsburgh Pirates. They won't take complete crap in return for a very nice player.