Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Ozuna leads off tonight, playing left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) That's fair. But it's f***tarded the argument that is trying to be presented that Buehrle's not an ace. If Buehrle's not an ace, no pitcher in baseball is an ace. He's not. True aces include, Peavy, Santana, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay, Oswalt, Clemens, Schmidt(when healthy), Johnson(when healthy), Schilling(when healthy), Garland, Livan Hernandez, Colon, Harden. Those guys are aces. They're all great pitchers and have no problems taking out elite teams. It's all the same for them. For Buehrle it's not. QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) BUT HE LOST TO THE RED SOX AND THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!! And A's 3 times IIRC, and Minny. QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) I know you're just copying what nite's saying, but I don't know why or what's his reasoning to bring the Yankees into this. The last times Buehrle saw the Yanks was in April of 2004. He split those games FWIW. And he got smacked around in one of those games giving up something like 7 or 8 runs in the first 2 innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) He's not. True aces include, Peavy, Santana, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay, Oswalt, Clemens, Schmidt(when healthy), Johnson(when healthy), Schilling(when healthy), Garland, Livan Hernandez, Colon, Harden. Those guys are aces. They're all great pitchers and have no problems taking out elite teams. It's all the same for them. For Buehrle it's not. And A's 3 times IIRC, and Minny. And he got smacked around in one of those games giving up something like 7 or 8 runs in the first 2 innings. And he also went 8 giving up 2 runs in NY. But let's continue to focus on the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 If we're going to focus on one appearance here or there: 9 IP 4 H 1 ER against the angels in may 8.1 IP 3 ER against the angels in may AGAIN 8.2 IP 0 ER against the padres 7 IP 2 ER against the A's in july 6 IP 3 ER against the Bosox. yeup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamslam Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 MB has been huge this year keeping our SOX with the best record in baseball all season long ! I appreciate him and Jon, they have been warriors and are both aces in my book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Sorry to doubt you GreasyWheels but I had to see this for myself to to believe it. Ozuna is indeed starting in LF. And look at Boston: no Damon, Milar or Varitek. -If Garland shuts them down they will say he didn't play against the A team. Chicago White Sox Pablo Ozuna LF .281 Tadahito Iguchi 2B .283 Carl Everett DH .264 Paul Konerko 1B .268 Aaron Rowand CF .285 Jermaine Dye RF .265 A.J. Pierzynski C .270 Joe Crede 3B .243 Juan Uribe SS .248 Jon Garland P (16-5 3.29) Boston Red Sox Gabe Kapler CF .367 Edgar Renteria SS .279 David Ortiz DH .297 Manny Ramirez LF .287 Roberto Petagine 1B .286 Kevin Millar RF .276 Doug Mirabelli C .211 Bill Mueller 3B .289 Tony Graffanino 2B .307 Tim Wakefield P (11-9 4.13) Umpires: HP: Ted Barrett 1B: Rob Drake 2B: Rick Reed 3B: Terry Craft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) If we're going to focus on one appearance here or there: 9 IP 4 H 1 ER against the angels in may 8.1 IP 3 ER against the angels in may AGAIN 8.2 IP 0 ER against the padres 7 IP 2 ER against the A's in july 6 IP 3 ER against the Bosox. yeup That boston game could have been less earned runs to as Aaron actually had a bad jump on a ball that he catches 95 percent of the time. Saying Buehrle hasn't been an ace this year is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Calling all chatters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Well let's hope our OTHER Ace can shut em down tonite........Or at least keep them to less than 4 runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 OK Folks, chat is up and running........Stop by and say hello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Ozuna K's on 3 pitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) He's not. True aces include, Peavy, Santana, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay, Oswalt, Clemens, Schmidt(when healthy), Johnson(when healthy), Schilling(when healthy), Garland, Livan Hernandez, Colon, Harden. Those guys are aces. They're all great pitchers and have no problems taking out elite teams. Wait... Mulder is a career ERA+ of 115. Buehrle is a career ERA+ of 125. Yet Mulder is the ace? Credibility? Down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Wakefield's cheating. Throwing to many fastballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) Wakefield's cheating. Throwing to many fastballs. Let him keep throwing those, he'll get lit up eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Quick 1-2-3 inning for Wakefield. Bottom 1 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 05:09 PM) Let him keep throwing those, he'll get lit up eventually Agreed, but he can't throw that many in the first inning when our hitters aren't expecting it, that's cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 I hope Podsednik's groin injury doesnt nag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) Wait... Mulder is a career ERA+ of 115. Buehrle is a career ERA+ of 125. Yet Mulder is the ace? Credibility? Down the drain. Last night Nite said he was going to make a thread as to why Mark isn't an ace. I think he did some research and just couldn't find anything to back up his argument, therefore no thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) I hope Podsednik's groin injury doesnt nag. That's why it's very smart to give him a few days off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Let's not pitch to Ortiz tonite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamslam Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 He GAWWWWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 ManRam K's. Top of 2nd, 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) Wait... Mulder is a career ERA+ of 115. Buehrle is a career ERA+ of 125. Yet Mulder is the ace? Credibility? Down the drain. Same goes for Garland, Livan, and Colon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 ANOTHER, quick 1-2-3 inning for Wakefield. bottom 2, 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Good start offensively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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