LosMediasBlancas Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 08:35 AM) The tribune today basically reports that a deal is on the table right now for the Reds to accept. Griffey ....and the Sun Times has K Dubs saying probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 08:45 AM) ....and the Sun Times has K Dubs saying probably not. I know...its great...but I say he's flying under the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 It's not going to happen Linder's a big FAT cow. It doesn't recognize this as a chance to stick it to the Cub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDriesen Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 he is an idiot, but as i said on the main board, that isnt the reason he wont trade him. hes selling the team and he wants to A. have the team have as much star power as possible to make more money on the deal and B. allow the new people to decide what to do with the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 In the Daily Herald he was quoted saying "No deal is close to happening." That he hasn't heard anything from Cincy either. I just don't see this deal happening. Like i said before- why would Cincy trade him now after the teams president rejected a trade to begin with? It could be KW flying under the radar- but as of right now- this whole rumor is just a pipe-dream. It sucks because we can use his bat right now- with Pods out of the lineup- and our bats slumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RDriesen @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) he is an idiot, but as i said on the main board, that isnt the reason he wont trade him. hes selling the team and he wants to A. have the team have as much star power as possible to make more money on the deal and B. allow the new people to decide what to do with the players It amazes me that he isnt thinking of getting rid of an aging player with a huge contract, who really doesnt figure into the teams long term success. I would think that Lindner would be focusing on making sure Dunn stayed around, not Griffey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RDriesen @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) he is an idiot, but as i said on the main board, that isnt the reason he wont trade him. hes selling the team and he wants to A. have the team have as much star power as possible to make more money on the deal and B. allow the new people to decide what to do with the players welcome to Soxtalk fellow Reds fan here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDriesen Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) It amazes me that he isnt thinking of getting rid of an aging player with a huge contract, who really doesnt figure into the teams long term success. I would think that Lindner would be focusing on making sure Dunn stayed around, not Griffey. true, but 2 things about that. 1, we have enough to sign dunn already, with griffey on board. 2. dont you think the team is worth a lot more with griffey on the team than off it. you have to remember, lindner is all about the bottom line. hes only worried about making money, thats how hes managed the reds. he wants to make as much money as possible off this trade. 3. supposedly the new owners are gonna bump up the payroll to th 80 something range. money isnt a problem as a lot outside the reds fan base think it is. at least not anymore. the problem has been, 1. getting the owner to spend it(he is one of the richest men in sports) and 2. having a gm who knew how to spend it wisely(which we do not have right now). i hope griffey goes, as a fan of his i want to see him win. he deserves it. and the fact is, we are a few years away from doing that. we have the talent to challenge for the playoffs next year even, but we dont have anywhere near enough to do anything once we get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDriesen Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) welcome to Soxtalk fellow Reds fan here. thanks. if anything, i have ONE thing in common with wsox fans. my HATRED for the cubs, or at least, their annoying *## fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RDriesen @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 10:05 AM) thanks. if anything, i have ONE thing in common with wsox fans. my HATRED for the cubs, or at least, their annoying *## fans You'll make friends here quick with posts like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RDriesen @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) 2. dont you think the team is worth a lot more with griffey on the team than off it. you have to remember, lindner is all about the bottom line. hes only worried about making money, thats how hes managed the reds. he wants to make as much money as possible off this trade. Really, I dont think Griffey has had the star effect that Cincinatti expected. He hasnt taken them to the playoffs, and has consistently been injured. I think the Reds need to commit to Dunn, Kearns and Pena, and let Griffey walk. And this isnt the White Sox fan in me talking, I have thought this since the beginning of the year(not that I can prove it ) I do, however, think that the prospects they are requesting dont really make sense, or at least they didnt originally. I was thinking that they need pitching bad, but a 1B and OF? Dont really know about that. What does the average Reds fan think about this? Are they for or against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Griffey is an old star on a rebuilding team. If they wanted to not only move the team forward, but give themselves a little flexibility in the offseason to go for a pitcher, this would be the way. They need to keep adding young talent and filling in with Good FA's ( Not Milton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RDriesen @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 10:05 AM) thanks. if anything, i have ONE thing in common with wsox fans. my HATRED for the cubs, or at least, their annoying *## fans SFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDriesen Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) Really, I dont think Griffey has had the star effect that Cincinatti expected. He hasnt taken them to the playoffs, and has consistently been injured. I think the Reds need to commit to Dunn, Kearns and Pena, and let Griffey walk. And this isnt the White Sox fan in me talking, I have thought this since the beginning of the year(not that I can prove it ) I do, however, think that the prospects they are requesting dont really make sense, or at least they didnt originally. I was thinking that they need pitching bad, but a 1B and OF? Dont really know about that. What does the average Reds fan think about this? Are they for or against it? probably 75-25 for it for the smart fan. probably 0-100 for the idiots who just go to games and dont know anything. same reason we kept larkin for 3 extra years. and i do agree with you that he hasnt had the effect on the team like we would have hoped. but he has made the team a ton of money in ticket sales, merchandise, etc. thats what i was talking about. what he brings to the team financially. as far as the prospects, thats a misconception about the reds. we have no guys in the minors in the outfield. pena has proven he can hit homers, but thats it and hes always hurt. kearns is probably the best of the 3, all around(ive seen them all play since low a ball) but hes always hurt. dunn is the only young/proven/injury free outfielder in the entire organization. as far as 1b go, we have nothing after casey. though i dont want rogo in a deal, cause im not big on him. we do need pitching, but we need everything really. outside of what you see on the big club, we have NOTHING. i dont think one team in our minors even has a winning record. our gm is an idiot, hes run us into the ground in less than 2 years. so while pitching is a need big time, ill take good position players over getting avg pitching prospects, just cause we "need" pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Well, it was rumored that Honel may be included in the deal as well. He is looking like the pitcher of old, but still I do not know if he is worth it. What they should do is pick up our good position players and flip them for some arms. Its all about value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I got this from a Reds board discussion: Lindner won't let KGJ go cheaply. The White Sox weren't offering enough before the deadline. If they give up Young, Rad, Hernandez, & Honel the deal is likely to happen. Would you do a 4-1 for KGJ right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:38 AM) I got this from a Reds board discussion: Lindner won't let KGJ go cheaply. The White Sox weren't offering enough before the deadline. If they give up Young, Rad, Hernandez, & Honel the deal is likely to happen. Would you do a 4-1 for KGJ right now? I would do 4 for 1 if the Reds were willing to pick up 15 million dollars on KGJ contract. If the number is less than that, then I wouldnt give up that many prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) I would do 4 for 1 if the Reds were willing to pick up 15 million dollars on KGJ contract. If the number is less than that, then I wouldnt give up that many prospects. Agreed....any deal with us giving 4-1 has to give us some relief on the guys salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) Sorry, but who is Rad?? The rebirth of Scott Radinsky in the Sox bullpen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:14 AM) No seriously, who is it, I can't figure out who it is? At least I'm not the only one than. I was thinking I was retarded or something cause I don't have a clue who Rad is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I think he meant Rogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) I think he meant Rogo That makes no sense (Rad, Rogo?) but that's about the only person it could be. Who the hell else in the org. even has a name close to Rad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 (edited) ESPN.com chat... Brian (Pasadena) White Sox. Griffey. Yay or nay? GARY GILLETTE I think Yes. The Sox really want him and they could really use him--Podsednik has a .685 OPS this year! I think the Reds are simply holding out for the Sox to swallow more of Griffey's contract money. Edited August 16, 2005 by Balta1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) ESPN.com chat... That's pretty f***ing stupid basing the production of a leadoff hitter on his OPS. That is the one stat that does not apply to the #1 hitter in your lineup. Podsednik is not expected to have a high Slug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDriesen Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) That's pretty f***ing stupid basing the production of a leadoff hitter on his OPS. That is the one stat that does not apply to the #1 hitter in your lineup. Podsednik is not expected to have a high Slug. gotta agree. i look at pitches per ab, obp, runs scored when looking at leadoff men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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