BigSqwert Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 18, 2005 -> 10:56 AM) interesting. it's definitely better than nothing. Who knows...maybe getting Guardado will have a team-wide 'shot in the arm' effect and the batters might even start hitting? He'd be a pretty damn big pick up at this point and would give us the best bullpen in the AL IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 18, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) Who knows...maybe getting Guardado will have a team-wide 'shot in the arm' effect and the batters might even start hitting? He'd be a pretty damn big pick up at this point and would give us the best bullpen in the AL IMO. Why would picking up a reliever make the hitters play better? I'm having a hard time understanding that logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I'm not saying it necessarily would but getting an impact player at this point could bolster the team's attitude. It's a way of saying "we are going for it" from management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 18, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) No. Not really. He has 2 less HRs than Everett. He also has +30 points on his OPS and +30 on his BA. This does not solve all of our problems. Neither does a 35 year old pitcher with a partially torn rotator cuff and a team that would want a s*** load of talent for the two. Ibanez and Guardado would be great pickups they however would not cure all problems for this club and would cost more than should be given up for them. 43 pts higher on OBP, 29 pts higher on BA, and 32 pts on OPS is quite the upgrade. Add in the fact he hits from the left side, and actually effectively (unlike Carl who's abismal from the left side) and you've got yourself a hell of an upgrade. Sure, these 2 won't cure all of our problems, but they do address our 2 most glaring "fixable" holes. Hopefully the price is down somewhat from before the deadline. Ibanez and Guardado would be perfect...May the price be fair... Edited August 18, 2005 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Also, keep in mind that the Carl Everett that steps up to the plate 90% of the time (~when a righty in on the mound) he's not the .266 hitter he is overall. He's a .245 hitter. From the 3 hole, that's ridiculous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Guardado has a player option next year at $4.5 million. The Mariner's option is $7 million. They won't exercise that option, so they can't demand much in trade for a month of his services. This last year, Eddie exercised his side of the option, but I'm guessing he'll opt out and try to negotiate a new longer term deal this offseason. So, personally I thinking adding Eddie would be fantastic. No more Damaso Marte roulette in the late innings and protection for Hermy's back. But I wouldn't pay more than non-roster guys for him. And no Chris Young. If the deal is too pricey, I'm also fine with what we currently have in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherehaveyougoneharold Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 White Sox general manager Kenny Williams is fond of "flying under the radar" when it comes to laying the groundwork for trades, and he might be doing just that. Despite all the talk about the Sox trying to get a deal done with Cincinnati for outfielder Ken Griffey Jr., it could just be the ultimate smoke screen for something else in the works. Seattle closer Eddie Guardado reportedly has cleared waivers, and according to a source in the Mariners organization, is being mentioned in a potential trade with the Sox. The lingering back problems of Sox closer Dustin Hermanson have been well-documented, but the situation could be worsening, and not just because Hermanson blew a save opportunity Tuesday night for just the second time this season. The right-handed reliever's back problems are such that it's leaving the Sox unclear as to his availability on a daily basis. He was iffy for Wednesday night's series finale against Minnesota, meaning the Sox would have given consideration to either Damaso Marte or Cliff Politte as the closer. The Sox would like to see rookie Bobby Jenks in that role, but he was unavailable after pitching three innings in Tuesday night's 16-inning marathon. Jenks hasn't heard from manager Ozzie Guillen about possibly being used as a closer, but the second-year skipper has talked about it publicly. "We know what's going on down there with Hermanson," Jenks said. "He's taking care of his back and everything that's going on with him. "He's giving this team a lot, just showing he's going to throw through it. He's becoming a smarter pitcher just by doing it, having to learn how to get guys out without his best stuff. Once he comes back from this and is completely healthy, watch out." While the addition of Guardado wouldn't necessarily cost Hermanson his closer's job, the Seattle reliever, who has 29 saves this season, would at a minimum serve as a good insurance policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Day late dollar short http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38727 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherehaveyougoneharold Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Should mention I got that from the Daily Southtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 It was posted under the Trade Winds section. Go there to see the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 It is now being reported that Eddie did NOT clear waivers and was claimed and pulled back by the M's I will get a link in a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2002445307_marinotes19.html (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down) Guardado still a Mariner A published report from Chicago claiming Seattle closer Eddie Guardado cleared waivers and was thus a trade target of the White Sox apparently is wrong on both counts. Guardado reportedly did not clear waivers, but was claimed, then pulled back off the waiver wire by the Mariners, which means he cannot be traded. It is an indication that the White Sox, who would be last in line to get a claimed player because they have the best record in the American League, were not the team, or at least the only team, to put in a claim for the left-hander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 ^^^^thanks for clearing up for us Kalapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Ah f***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 19, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2002445307_marinotes19.html (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down) Thanks Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Once again a good dose of bulls*** from the Southtown. WTF, can anyone write for that paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 19, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2002445307_marinotes19.html (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down)://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...l (Scroll Down) damn, it wasnt just the southtown that reported it, but gammons did too....oh well this thread can be officially closed, assuming the seattle times is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Aug 19, 2005 -> 09:35 AM) Thanks Kalapse NP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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