Dear Hawk,

[SnB]

Shutup about the umps screwing us every day

shutup about griffey not having a place here

shutup about everett being clutch

 

 

...if anyone had to say it, i figured it should be me.

[WHarris1]

Seriously go slap your man around a little bit

[3E8]

"where was that pitch?"

 

"there's a ball...I guess"

 

"a strike...yay"

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I still luuuuuv Hawk.

[greasywheels121]

I got to steal some of Cheat's thunder....

 

 

JC: Where would he play Brian?

 

BF: Well he could DH, play the OF.

 

JC: But what about Carl? You can't forget Carl.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Shutup about the umps screwing us every day

shutup about griffey not having a place here

shutup about everett being clutch

...if anyone had to say it, i figured it should be me.

 

 

I think Hawk is awesome and I love the homer routine but him toeing the party line night in and night out is getting rediculous.

[SnB]

I think Hawk is awesome and I love the homer routine but him toeing the party line night in and night out is getting rediculous.

hence the thread.

everyone knows i love hawk. but he's being ridiculous as of late.

[SnB]

I got to steal some of Cheat's thunder....

 

 

JC: Where would he play Brian?

 

BF: Well he could DH, play the OF. 

 

JC: But what about Carl?  You can't forget Carl.

"WHERE WOULD HE PLAY BRIAN GORMAN!?"

[WilliamTell]

I can't stand that stretch call. I hate it because most of us know it's not goin out anyways.

[effectivelywild]

Honestly, most of my white sox fan friends think that Hawk is almost single-handedly detroying the fan base. Television is crucial to developing fans. Hawk can be just painful to listen to sometimes. Honestly, I could do a better job.

[wsox08]

Honestly, most of my white sox fan friends think that Hawk is almost single-handedly detroying the fan base.  Television is crucial to developing fans.  Hawk can be just painful to listen to sometimes.  Honestly, I could do a better job.

Let me guess.. You don't have any friends.. or they aren't humans...

[Texsox]

Hawk is paid by the Sox and acts like it. To provide balance, I'd like to see him work a game with Mr. Jay Mariotti.

[Guest JimH]

Honestly, most of my white sox fan friends think that Hawk is almost single-handedly detroying the fan base.  Television is crucial to developing fans.  Hawk can be just painful to listen to sometimes.  Honestly, I could do a better job.

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Oh my God, what's next on this site ...

[Steff]

Oh my God, what's next on this site ...

 

 

 

Doesn't matter. This takes the cake.

[bighurt2719]

Honestly, most of my white sox fan friends think that Hawk is almost single-handedly detroying the fan base.  Television is crucial to developing fans.  Hawk can be just painful to listen to sometimes.  Honestly, I could do a better job.

 

your statement is so stupid it requires no response. hawk's not going anywhere- it's not even worth arguing about. i love hawk, but if you dont, whatever. if you dont have anything noce or constructive to say, dont say anything.

[BigSqwert]

I've never been the biggest Hawk fan but I have noticed that when things are going OK he is bearable to listen to. When things are not he is as unbearable as they get. But that's just my opinion.

[Ozzie Montana]

Dear Hawk,

 

Stop whining about the umpiring. They are the least of this teams problems. Why dont you challenge the players who are playing with no heart and swinging like they are playing golf. I can stand a cheerleader but you take it too far and it gets annoying.

Edited August 20, 2005 by Ozzie Montana

[UC76]

your statement is so stupid it requires no response. hawk's not going anywhere- it's not even worth arguing about. i love hawk, but if you dont, whatever. if you dont have anything noce or constructive to say, dont say anything.

 

That wasn't a stupid comment. In fact, it's right on the money. I have several friends who are huge baseball fans, but not Sox fans and Hawk is not liked by pretty much anyone except diehard Sox fans. In fact, I'd say for the most part that Hawk is hated.

 

If you ask anyone who isn't a Sox fan what they think of Hawk the answer will amost always be that he sucks.

 

That comment about killing the fan base is right on. My mom isn't a huge baseball fan but she loves the Cubs and watches them a lot. When she happens to catch a Sox game she comments on how "dead" and "boring" it is. I can't argue there, especially when Hawk isn't saying anything (or isn't even there) or Hawk is answering his 156th e-mail of the night.

 

The fact is, if a team's broadcast is boring then people aren't going to tune in. And if people don't tune in, you're not creating fans.

 

Hell, just look at the Sox' "fan base" before this year. People are showing up now because the Sox are in first place, but where were they before? I'm not saying that's all Hawk's fault, but the fact that a lot of people can't stomach a Sox broadcast doesn't help.

 

The fact is, a TV broadcast is like the face of a franchise. It's what you see everyday. Hawk is seen everyday. And people just don't like Hawk very much, except Sox fans (and not even all Sox fans.)

 

As a lifelong, diehard Sox fan, I find Hawk bearable, but I'f be lying if I didn't say that I find his act old and dull and boring at times.

 

And didn't Hawk get Wimpy fired because he was jealous of Wimpy's popularity? Come on now. That's very, very lame.

[Ozzie Montana]

Thats why ive tuned into rooney and farm last 2 weeks and will continue to do so. They dont keep on repeating the same things and actually have some contructive things to say instead of "where's that pitch" or "yay, a strike". Id recommend this transition to the radio for any who have grown tired of the announcers.

[UC76]

Thats why ive tuned into rooney and farm last 2 weeks and will continue to do so.  They dont keep on repeating the same things and actually have some contructive things to say instead of "where's that pitch" or "yay, a strike".  Id recommend this transition to the radio for any who have grown tired of the announcers.

 

 

Also, wasn't Hawk GM for only one year and manage to fire Tony LaRussa?

 

Ugh. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

I'm not a big LaRussa fan at all, but the guy has done nothing but win his entire career (just like he did with the Sox.) This was probably one of the stupidest decisions in Sox history. Don't you think? What would the Sox have been like in the late 80s and early 90s if LaRussa was still in town instead of in Oakland.

 

It seems to me Hawk set the Sox franchise back several years by firing LaRussa.

 

Next time Hawk starts rambling on about chemistry or about how the Sox don't needing Griffey, someone should mention the name of LaRussa to him.

[Kyyle23]

That comment about killing the fan base is right on. My mom isn't a huge baseball fan but she loves the Cubs and watches them a lot. When she happens to catch a Sox game she comments on how "dead" and "boring" it is. I can't argue there, especially when Hawk isn't saying anything (or isn't even there) or Hawk is answering his 156th e-mail of the night.

 

The fact is, if a team's broadcast is boring then people aren't going to tune in. And if people don't tune in, you're not creating fans.

 

Hell, just look at the Sox' "fan base" before this year. People are showing up now because the Sox are in first place, but where were they before? I'm not saying that's all Hawk's fault, but the fact that a lot of people can't stomach a Sox broadcast doesn't help.

 

The fact is, a TV broadcast is like the face of a franchise. It's what you see everyday. Hawk is seen everyday. And people just don't like Hawk very much, except Sox fans (and not even all Sox fans.)

 

As a lifelong, diehard Sox fan, I find Hawk bearable, but I'f be lying if I didn't say that I find his act old and dull and boring at times.

 

And didn't Hawk get Wimpy fired because he was jealous of Wimpy's popularity? Come on now. That's very, very lame. 

 

So what you are saying basically, that the fanbase is showing up now that the Sox are in first place, but they werent showing up before, only because Hawk was running the broadcast? That is hilarious, and one doesnt have anything to do with the other. If your statement about your mom and your correlation between fans and broadcast were true, then the Sox wouldnt be selling out right now, and the fans would not be there.

 

Last year the Cubs had Chip and Stone, and all of the Cubs fans hated those two(not so much Stone, but they were growing tired of him too) with a passion. Did they stop watching because of it, or did they chase away "potential" fans? No, not even by a longshot. Did people stop showing up at Wrigley when Chip and Stone were in the booth? Nope. But they sure stopped coming in droves this year, when they started sucking.

 

Thats pretty much the only correlation, a teams popularity is based on their record and success. The TV broadcast does hardly anything to chase away or draw in potential viewers and fans. And if you think it does, find me some sort of correlation, and I will agree with you. But right now, it just sounds like you dont like Hawk and are trying to justify it by saying he chases away viewers like your mom.

[UC76]

Like I said, I'm not blaming the Sox broadcast for anything. But I am saying it doesn't help.

 

Look at Harry Caray. The Cubs barely sold tickets when he took over. By the time he left, the Cubs were the cash cow they are today. Why? Because people saw the Cubs broadcast, had fun, and started coming out. Caray was a breathing commercial for Cubs baseball.

 

Caray was the face of the franchise and people fell in love with him and (conversely) the Cubs.

 

Nobody tunes into Hawk and says, "Yeah, Sox games look like fun!"

 

That's because he's usually b****ing about umpiring, talking about some backup catcher he played with in the minors 45 years ago, or just sitting there not saying anything because he's pouting. Or he's taking his 1/2 inning break, which is LAME

 

Diehard Sox fans might put up with that (like myself).

 

Baseball fans won't.

 

Neither will casual sports fans.

 

Again, a TV broadcast is like the face of a franchise. You see it everyday. It can be a huge selling point.

 

And the fact is that most people just don't like Hawk. And that doesn't help in selling the Sox "brand." I'm not blaming Hawk for low ticket sales over the years. All I'm saying is he doesn't help.

[sircaffey]

Shutup about the umps screwing us every day

shutup about griffey not having a place here

shutup about everett being clutch

...if anyone had to say it, i figured it should be me.

 

Aaaaameennn.....

[Guest JimH]

Like I said, I'm not blaming the Sox broadcast for anything. But I am saying it doesn't help.

 

Look at Harry Caray. The Cubs barely sold tickets when he took over. By the time he left, the Cubs were the cash cow they are today. Why? Because people saw the Cubs broadcast, had fun, and started coming out. Caray was a breathing commercial for Cubs baseball.

 

Caray was the face of the franchise and people fell in love with him and (conversely) the Cubs.

 

Nobody tunes into Hawk and says, "Yeah, Sox games look like fun!"

 

That's because he's usually b****ing about umpiring, talking about some backup catcher he played with in the minors 45 years ago, or just sitting there not saying anything because he's pouting. Or he's taking his 1/2 inning break, which is LAME< LAME, LAME!!! What other announcer in any sport just leaves in the middle of the game and takes a break? That's ridiculous. I guess it's in his contract so damn if he isn't going to take advantage!

 

Diehard Sox fans might put up with that (like myself).

 

Baseball fans won't.

 

Neither will casual sports fans.

 

Again, a TV broadcast is like the face of a franchise. You see it everyday. It can be a huge selling point.

 

And the fact is that most people just don't like Hawk. And that doesn't help in selling the Sox "brand." I'm not blaming Hawk for low ticket sales over the years. All I'm saying is he doesn't help.

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Some of your comments are about as way off as they can get.

 

1. "The fact is that most people just don't like Hawk" - please show us evidence, wait never mind, you can't.

 

2. Re: ticket sales, "... he doesn't help" - Really? The White Sox marketing surveys say he's extremely popular with season ticket holders. The last I checked, the season ticket holders buy tons of tickets.

 

3. Using your Cub fan mom as an example of why it's a bad broadcast - Umm, ok. This is so whacked out it's not even worth commenting on.

 

4. Your comment in a prior post that Harrelson got Paciorek fired because he was jealous of TP's popularity: Completely Wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. Are you just pulling this stuff out of thin air?

 

5. His 1/2 inning breaks: Do you know why he does that? No, you don't. Have you seen his contract? No, you haven't. Here is why he does it: he's giving Darrin Jackson a chance to grow and develop as a play-by-play guy. It is a move designed and supported by Harrelson, Jackson, Bob Grim, and those in charge of White Sox broadcasting.

 

6. What does Harrelson's tenure as GM have to do with his broadcasting skills? Answer = nothing.

 

7. All your Cub fan buddies hate Harrelson, so therefore in your mind, "almost everyone" hates Harrelson. Gee, what a shocker that Cub fans hate Harrelson.

 

My guess is you've been a Sox fan your entire life, all 19 or 20 years of it, right?

 

You have no clue what you're talking about on this topic, sorry.

[UC76]

Some of your comments are about as way off as they can get.

 

1.  "The fact is that most people just don't like Hawk" - please show us evidence, wait never mind, you can't. 

 

2.  Re: ticket sales, "... he doesn't help" -  Really?  The White Sox marketing surveys say he's extremely popular with season ticket holders.  The last I checked, the season ticket holders buy tons of tickets.

 

3.  Using your Cub fan mom as an example of why it's a bad broadcast - Umm, ok.  This is so whacked out it's not even worth commenting on.

 

4.  Your comment in a prior post that Harrelson got Paciorek fired because he was jealous of TP's popularity:  Completely Wrong.  You couldn't be more wrong.  Are you just pulling this stuff out of thin air?

 

5.  His 1/2 inning breaks:  Do you know why he does that?  No, you don't.  Have you seen his contract?  No, you haven't.  Here is why he does it:  he's giving Darrin Jackson a chance to grow and develop as a play-by-play guy.  It is a move designed and supported by Harrelson, Jackson, Bob Grim, and those in charge of White Sox broadcasting.

 

6.  What does Harrelson's tenure as GM have to do with his broadcasting skills?  Answer = nothing.

 

7.  All your Cub fan buddies hate Harrelson, so therefore in your mind, "almost everyone" hates Harrelson.  Gee, what a shocker that Cub fans hate Harrelson.         

 

My guess is you've been a Sox fan your entire life, all 19 or 20 years of it, right?

 

You have no clue what you're talking about on this topic, sorry.

 

 

1. Ask around. People who aren't diehard Sox fans. When do you hear Hawk's name mentioned as some great, likeable TV guy? It isn't. By anyone - except Sox fans. SOME Sox fans.

 

2. OK, you're using ticket sales numbers of a franchise notorious for low ticket sales.

 

3. I used my mom as an example of someone with absolutely no prior or prejudiced opinion. What's wrong with that? That actually makes perfect sense. Maybe you think it would be better if I asked someone who already hated Hawk or liked him. Yeah, that would make sense.

 

4. Paciorek? I've heard it. I bet plenty of others on here have heard it as well. I'm not making anything up. And I SAID that I HEARD it. I didn't say it was fact.

 

5. He's grooming DJ? Hahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! Good one. Whatever. Get in the $%$#@ booth and do your job and stop stuffing your face with free food. Grooming DJ? I'm laughing here.

 

6. I never said Hawk's GM skills = broadcasting skills. I mentioned it as a completely unrelated topic within the same post. It's called a tangent.

 

7. I never mentioned my "Cubs fan buddies." Try reading the post. I mentioned baseball fans who aren't Sox fans. I'd say their opinion is pretty objective. And they don't hate Hawk. They just say he's boring and dull and repeats the same hamburgers over and over.