southsider2k5 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2003...tory?id=1550082 Sports columnist Bob Ryan was suspended by The Boston Globe for one month without pay after saying on television that the wife of New Jersey Nets guard Jason Kidd, who was allegedly the victim of domestic abuse, needed someone to "smack her." "Bob Ryan's comments were a clear and egregious violation of the standards of The Boston Globe," Globe editor Martin Baron said in a statement. "Bob has been told in no uncertain terms that his remarks were offensive and unacceptable." The columnist was also barred from appearing on radio or television for one month. Ryan also works for ESPN as a regular panelist on "Around the Horn" and "The Sports Reporters" and is a regular guest on ESPN Radio. Ryan, who has since expressed regret, made the comments Sunday night during a segment on WBZ-TV's Sports Final show. Kidd said Boston fans insulted his wife and 3-year-old son during Game 4 of the 2002 Eastern Conference finals at the FleetCenter. Fans taunted Kidd with chants of "wife beater," referring to 2001 charges that he had struck his wife, Joumana. Kidd eventually agreed to a plea and received six months of court-ordered counseling. The Celtics and Nets began another playoff series on Monday, prompting Ryan and host Bob Lobel to discuss whether Kidd and his family will receive similar treatment when the teams come to Boston for Game 3 on Friday. During the show, Ryan said Kidd should expect taunts from the crowd, then criticized the Kidds for using their son "as a prop" and called Joumana Kidd an "exhibitionist" Then, in a comment that was not picked up clearly on tape, he said: "Oh great. I mean she needs (inaudible) to smack her." At that point, Lobel interrupted, saying, "You can't say that. What's happening here? You know what, I will give you a mulligan on that." Ryan retorted: "I'm not looking for that." Lobel persisted, saying, "You just don't want to smack her. You just don't mean to say that. Really, tell me you don't?" "Why should I say anything different than I said all playoffs last year?" Ryan said. In a statement Tuesday, Ryan apologized to Joumana Kidd for the "inappropriate and offensive remark." "It was, of course, atrocious judgment on my part," he said. "I wish to state clearly that I am aware of the very real problem of violence against women in our society, and that in no way is it a joking matter." Nets players and coaches called for Ryan's dismissal. Speaking during practice Tuesday, New Jersey coach Byron Scott said Ryan "should be out of a job." "Just tell him to come right in here and he can say that in front of me and Jason and some of our players," he told reporters. "He'll see how well he'll be received." Kidd called the comments "unfortunate" and said his wife "felt sorry if she offended (Ryan) in any way." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 He meant exactly what he said. This is the age we're living in. I'm resigned to it. I accept it and I also loathe it. Someday the pendelum will swing back but not in my lifetime. Maybe in my grandkids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 It's ridiculous he was suspended, what has it come to when people say something that is meant as not being serious and then it goes to a one month suspension. Unreal, Bob Ryan is a great columnist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 he was right on with the exception of saying that she should be smacked. she craves the attention, which is why she and her son sit front row, and she does use the kid as an attention-grabber. she is acting selfishly and putting him in danger when she comes to boston and does the same thing, i'm not saying how the fans act is right but that's how it is. ryan maybe should have been reprimanded but a one-month suspension is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 he was asked many times to retract his statement and he didn't. the suspension is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Mrs. kidd must be the first person in all of human history to want to sit court side to get attention for her self. Damn her! Ther first person in all of NBA history to crave the attention, to sit with her son sit front row, to be an attention-grabber. And to think that she feels she has a right to go to Boston and see a game! No other players wife has ever done that, damn her! No player's wife has ever gone to a game in Boston or anywhere, who does Mrs Kidd think she is - her job is to sit at home and be smacked by her husband There are days that I do not believe what I read here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 im saying she's fanning the flames and putting her son in danger by bringing him to boston you jackass. it's like people come down harder on ryan for saying someone should smack her than they do on kidd for actually doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 The suspension's bulls***! Everyone's given free speech. Well, I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 One week, perhaps. One month, excessive and not needed. What does it solve? Not a damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssHatSoxFan Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 i dont think encouraging violence against anyone especially women should be encouraged like Ryan encouraged that she should be slapped especially since it has happened previously by her husband who was required to have six months of counseling so i think that after he repeatedly refused to take back his comments yet come out days later to apologize shows how stupid he was in saying this... so if i think this is fair i guess yes so shame on bob ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 The suspension's bulls***! Everyone's given free speech. Well, I guess not. Free speech Heather? This asshole can go anywhere he wants in his own life and say a woman should be smacked - as long of course as he is in the confines of the law. He could be charged, under the right circumstance, with any number of criminal charges. Try this: if free speech is absolute, try adocating that the president of the United States should be assassinated. Would you defend that as free speech? Or would you say that is over the line and the person who advocates that is rightly guilty of a federal offense? Try saying adults should have sex with five year old children. Would you defend that? If a sportscaster goes on the air and says the president should be assassinated and adults should molest children, would you defend that as free speech? If an asshole says women should be smacked in his private life, as opposed to saying that on the air as an employee of a corporation who pays his salary and does not want to be associated with people who advocate smacking women, does the corporation lose its right to disassociate itself with the sportcaster? Maybe he should be lucky he was suspended and not fired. If advocating smacking women as a paid employee of a corporation is ok, then again, what about sexually molesting children? The effect is the same after all - children who experience domsetic abuse in the home are going to grow up with deep psyhic wounds just as mush as children who experience sexual abuse. I am a minister by vocation who also works as a legal assitant who has worked in foster care. I wish that everyone who thinks that advocating smacking women as a paid corporate spokesperson is ok would spend time with children who have experienced domestic abuse. I wish Heather you would look into the eyes of a child who has seen daddy beat mommy and tell that child that advocating smacking women on a sports show on air is free speech. There is always, always, one thing in common with men who smack women - they always blame the woman. It is always her fault. She made him do it. She forced him to beat her. After all, she caused it by what she did. If she hadn't of done what she had done, he wouldn't have had to beat her. She made him do it. She asked for it. She did what she knew caused the beating. It is never the guy's fault, only the woman's fault. Just as it is apparently Mrs Kidd's fault because after all she sits ringside or goes to games in Boston. That proves she deserves to be smacked and anyone who adovates that is perfectly right. So is killing the president or sexually molesting children. It is all the same. They deserved it, they asked for it, and saying it is ok is free speech, right? Free speech? May you never have to spend time in a domestic shelter after being beaten by a man. May you never have to look in your children's eyes and explain why daddy beat on mommy. May no sportscaster who has gotten paid well to talk on tv about games be allowed to advocate smacking women. I'd like to see him on the receiving end and see how much he enjoys getting smacked. But no, he will never be in that situation - he gets suspended for 30 days and look at the tears shed for him. He should be required to give one year's salary to a domestic abuse shelter and spend a month working nights in a shelter giving comfort to the women who have been beaten and the children who have seen it before he is allowed close to a microphone again. Or perhaps he should get out of tv all together and stop talking about games on the air and take as a job as a janitor where he can mutter all he wants about beating women and not worry about being suspended from his job. But once he goes back on air, he has a responsibility that this asshole has shirked. I would have fired his ass. He had no rights violated. 30 days suspended and you all feel sorry for him. Astounding. I've seen too many smacked women and children of abusive relationships. What the f*** is wrong with anyone who defends this overpaid ignorant spoiled pampered jock who gets paid to give scores and give insights on games advocating violence against anyone. The f***er should be doing play by play in an emergency room when a woman comes in after being beaten. Yes! He broke her jaw! Wow, what a smack! And she lost two teeth! Whgat a man! Smacking women, that is alllllllllright!!!!! And bonus points for the two kids cowering and crying int he corner! Yes, we have a winner! Let's get some post smack comments: Tell me smacker, we know it was her fault: tell us what she did to deserve being smacked! And right after the post smack comments, we will have a commerical break and then return with another episode of Poor Men Being Picked On By Our Cruel Society! Remember - if it ain't born with balls, smack it! It is your right! Am I coming on to strong? Come on and visit me and I'll take you on the rounds to meet women who have smacked by big macho guys. Am I coming on to strong? In language that seems to be be par for the course: the person who continues to defend this asshole should go suck OJs cock and tell him how great it was that he smacked his wife and showed her who was boss, the b**** deserved it after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Mrs. kidd must be the first person in all of human history to want to sit court side to get attention for her self. Damn her! Ther first person in all of NBA history to crave the attention, to sit with her son sit front row, to be an attention-grabber. And to think that she feels she has a right to go to Boston and see a game! No other players wife has ever done that, damn her! No player's wife has ever gone to a game in Boston or anywhere, who does Mrs Kidd think she is - her job is to sit at home and be smacked by her husband There are days that I do not believe what I read here. Honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Free speech Heather? This asshole can go anywhere he wants in his own life and say a woman should be smacked - as long of course as he is in the confines of the law. He could be charged, under the right circumstance, with any number of criminal charges. Try this: if free speech is absolute, try adocating that the president of the United States should be assassinated. Would you defend that as free speech? Or would you say that is over the line and the person who advocates that is rightly guilty of a federal offense? Try saying adults should have sex with five year old children. Would you defend that? If a sportscaster goes on the air and says the president should be assassinated and adults should molest children, would you defend that as free speech? If an asshole says women should be smacked in his private life, as opposed to saying that on the air as an employee of a corporation who pays his salary and does not want to be associated with people who advocate smacking women, does the corporation lose its right to disassociate itself with the sportcaster? Maybe he should be lucky he was suspended and not fired. If advocating smacking women as a paid employee of a corporation is ok, then again, what about sexually molesting children? The effect is the same after all - children who experience domsetic abuse in the home are going to grow up with deep psyhic wounds just as mush as children who experience sexual abuse. I am a minister by vocation who also works as a legal assitant who has worked in foster care. I wish that everyone who thinks that advocating smacking women as a paid corporate spokesperson is ok would spend time with children who have experienced domestic abuse. I wish Heather you would look into the eyes of a child who has seen daddy beat mommy and tell that child that advocating smacking women on a sports show on air is free speech. There is always, always, one thing in common with men who smack women - they always blame the woman. It is always her fault. She made him do it. She forced him to beat her. After all, she caused it by what she did. If she hadn't of done what she had done, he wouldn't have had to beat her. She made him do it. She asked for it. She did what she knew caused the beating. It is never the guy's fault, only the woman's fault. Just as it is apparently Mrs Kidd's fault because after all she sits ringside or goes to games in Boston. That proves she deserves to be smacked and anyone who adovates that is perfectly right. So is killing the president or sexually molesting children. It is all the same. They deserved it, they asked for it, and saying it is ok is free speech, right? Free speech? May you never have to spend time in a domestic shelter after being beaten by a man. May you never have to look in your children's eyes and explain why daddy beat on mommy. May no sportscaster who has gotten paid well to talk on tv about games be allowed to advocate smacking women. I'd like to see him on the receiving end and see how much he enjoys getting smacked. But no, he will never be in that situation - he gets suspended for 30 days and look at the tears shed for him. He should be required to give one year's salary to a domestic abuse shelter and spend a month working nights in a shelter giving comfort to the women who have been beaten and the children who have seen it before he is allowed close to a microphone again. Or perhaps he should get out of tv all together and stop talking about games on the air and take as a job as a janitor where he can mutter all he wants about beating women and not worry about being suspended from his job. But once he goes back on air, he has a responsibility that this asshole has shirked. I would have fired his ass. He had no rights violated. 30 days suspended and you all feel sorry for him. Astounding. I've seen too many smacked women and children of abusive relationships. What the f*** is wrong with anyone who defends this overpaid ignorant spoiled pampered jock who gets paid to give scores and give insights on games advocating violence against anyone. The f***er should be doing play by play in an emergency room when a woman comes in after being beaten. Yes! He broke her jaw! Wow, what a smack! And she lost two teeth! Whgat a man! Smacking women, that is alllllllllright!!!!! And bonus points for the two kids cowering and crying int he corner! Yes, we have a winner! Let's get some post smack comments: Tell me smacker, we know it was her fault: tell us what she did to deserve being smacked! And right after the post smack comments, we will have a commerical break and then return with another episode of Poor Men Being Picked On By Our Cruel Society! Remember - if it ain't born with balls, smack it! It is your right! Am I coming on to strong? Come on and visit me and I'll take you on the rounds to meet women who have smacked by big macho guys. Am I coming on to strong? In language that seems to be be par for the course: the person who continues to defend this asshole should go suck OJs cock and tell him how great it was that he smacked his wife and showed her who was boss, the b**** deserved it after all. Great post cw. And I agree whole-heartedly. I understand it was a joke. It wasn't funny though. For even suggesting it, he should have been suspended...and he was. Good for the Boston Globe(or whatever newspaper he writes for). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 it was not a great post. blowing things way out of porportion is not how you argue points. deal with the facts. yes he said it, and he probably shouldn't have, but do you honestly believe he was serious? do you honestly believe he was advocating someone beat the crap out of juwanna kidd? anyone with half a brain can tell he wasn't. ugh i am so done with this conversation. if you get your kicks out of sensationalizing things that's fine, go on writing term papers nobody cares to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Sensationalized or not, joking or not, advocating or not, you can say s*** like that under any circumstances. Joking about physical abuse is not funny under any circumstances, it is very disheartning that there are people who don't feel that way. Not funny, not near enough of a suspension, not acceptable. To downplay the things cw said is disscusting because he is so right. I saw that kid crying when he got hit the other day, I agree it's dangerous, but that is not even remotely related to glorifying domestic violence.......uggg I'm getting worked up so I'll save the wear on my keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 deal with the facts. yes he said it, and he probably shouldn't have, but do you honestly believe he was serious? do you honestly believe he was advocating someone beat the crap out of juwanna kidd? anyone with half a brain can tell he wasn't. ugh i am so done with this conversation. if you get your kicks out of sensationalizing things that's fine, go on writing term papers nobody cares to read. deal with the facts. Facts - here is the quote from the story, for the facts During the show, Ryan said Kidd should expect taunts from the crowd, then criticized the Kidds for using their son "as a prop" and called Joumana Kidd an "exhibitionist" Then, in a comment that was not picked up clearly on tape, he said: "Oh great. I mean she needs (inaudible) to smack her." At that point, Lobel interrupted, saying, "You can't say that. What's happening here? You know what, I will give you a mulligan on that." Ryan retorted: "I'm not looking for that." Lobel persisted, saying, "You just don't want to smack her. You just don't mean to say that. Really, tell me you don't?" "Why should I say anything different than I said all playoffs last year?" Ryan said. do you honestly believe he was serious? do you honestly believe he was advocating someone beat the crap out of juwanna kidd? Show me the ha ha funny part where he shows he was not serious. Show me the part where he was just funnin'. Show me the ha ha humor here, please. Show me the part where he was not advocating someone beating the crap out out of her. anyone with half a brain can tell he wasn't. Maybe that is what it takes, half a brain, to find this as funny, just funnin', not serious. if you get your kicks out of sensationalizing things sensationalizing? How? Make light of what you will. I prefer to have my outrage at those who smack women, or find it funny, or trivialize it, as opposed to having outrage when an overpaid sports number reader pays the penalty for advocating on the air the smacking of a woman who has already suffered domestic abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Since the O. J. Simpson trial, this country has been very sensitive about domestic abuse. Whether he meant it or not, Ryan should have known better than to say it. In this case, he was dumber than a box of rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Make light of what you will. I prefer to have my outrage at those who smack women, or find it funny, or trivialize it, as opposed to having outrage when an overpaid sports number reader pays the penalty for advocating on the air the smacking of a woman who has already suffered domestic abuse. if you hate anyone who even jokes about abusing women then you better get rid of the eminem avatar, and until you do you are just talking out of both sides of your mouth. And mama said she wants to show how far she can float And don't worry about that little boo-boo on her throat It's just a little scratch - it don't hurt, her was eatin dinner while you were sweepin and spilled ketchup on her shirt Mama's messy isn't she? We'll let her wash off in the water and me and you can pway by ourselves, can't we? But for now we'll just say mama was real real bad She was bein mean to dad and made him real real mad But I still feel sad that I put her on time-out Sit back in your chair honey, quit tryin to climb out Hillary Clinton tried to slap me and call me a pervert I ripped her f***in tonsils out and fed her sherbet (b****!) Me and Marcus Allen went over to see Nicole When we heard a knock at the door, must have been Ron Gold' Jumped behind the door, put the orgy on hold Killed em both and smeared blood in a white Bronco (we did it!) Mother.. are you there? I love you I never meant to hit you over the head with that shovel Now follow me and do exactly what you see Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me! I slap women and eat shrooms then O.D. Now don't you wanna grow up to be just like me! Then I went to Jim Beam, that's when my face grayed Went to gym in eighth grade, raped the women's swim team to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 to name a few. Well done, I haven't got any time for eminem either, because I don't think that stuff is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 And one could pull quotes out of any number of Verdi or Puccini operas and find similiar comments, out of context. The difference is, for Eminem, Verdi, and Puccini, is that those who commit violence against women are considered sick and losers at best - or have you never listened all the way through to the whole of his work? The difference is a description of what violence is (Em, Puccini, Verdi, etc) and those whose adovate or find humor in violence. And that Em has documented the effects of violence of the children in abusive homes by graphically describing what those effects is a long, long way from advocating violence. It is a most subtle but totally crucial difference. I checked out the Boston Globe website and the quotes there have Ryan saying that he himself wants to smack Mrs. Kidd. That is a new twist. That is who you defended - someone who supplemets their income richly by doing tv shows saying that a woman who wants to supplement her income by doing tv should be smacked and the victim of further violence. Refusal to take responsibilty - whether it is your guy Ryan who who cry for, or anyone else - tears for the wrong people. When you have spent any part of your life caring for the victims (women and children) of domestic violence, you might have some moral footing to stand on. You have none now to lecture me or anyone on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 im not lecturing anyone, you're the one trying to lecture. the bottom line is you have to be consistent, and you are not. therefore you have no argument. you can't pick and choose. if you say nobody should joke about hitting women then you can't support anyone who does. "Hillary Clinton tried to slap me and call me a pervert I ripped her f***in tonsils out and fed her sherbet" oh yeah that is just a description of what violence is, as opposed to advocating it. right. i don't get on eminem's case for saying what he does, and therefore i refuse to get on ryan's case. i don't believe either of them are going to actually hit women (in fact, eminem is probably more likely to, as he is the more volatile person). until they do, they can say what they want. i doubt there was this much discussion when jason kidd actually did hit his wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 i don't believe either of them are going to actually hit women (in fact, eminem is probably more likely to, as he is the more volatile person). until they do, they can say what they want. Slander...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 i don't believe either of them are going to actually hit women (in fact, eminem is probably more likely to, as he is the more volatile person). until they do, they can say what they want. Slander...?? What am I, the PC police? if Hillary Clinton and Jumanna Kidd wanna bring lawsuits, they can go ahead and do so. i don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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