Crede

[GoSoxGo]

Technically you are right but in baseball it doesn't always work that way. 

 

Sometimes a guy is outright claimed, but other times there are several teams who don't want to claim him and pick up the contract, bonuses, etc. and as such don't put in an outright claim ... they prefer to approach the team, in this case the Red Sox, and try to work out a deal, financial or otherwise.

 

Who's to say Bellhorn doesn't have a hefty bonus that kicks in when he gets traded?  Who's to say he doesn't have a contract that calls for another team picking up the lease on his pricey condo in downtown Boston?

 

This is what I mean.  There could very well be other factors in play.

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Ahhh okay, I see where you are going now. Well, the article I read said that any team can claim Bellhorn right now and they would only owe him the prorated $750,000 portion left on his contract. According to MLB4U.com, this is Bellhorn's contract for this year...

 

http://www.mlb4u.com/bos.html

Mark Bellhorn: signed deal for 2005 season worth 2.75M on 1/18/05 Service Time: 4.117

So there are no bonuses or incentives that kick in for him. He is just on a basic 1-year deal. He would cost us $750,000 for the rest of the season. If Crede's injury is significant, I think he would be worth it.

Edited August 26, 2005 by GoSoxGo

[Guest JimH]

Ahhh okay, I see where you are going now.  Well, the article I read is that any team can claim him and they will only owe Bellhorn the prorated $750,000 portion left on his contract.  According to MLB4U.com, this is Bellhorn's contract for this year...

 

http://www.mlb4u.com/bos.html

So there are no bonuses or incentives that kick in for him.  He is just on a basic 1-year deal.

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You could very well be right, there could be no "strings" attached to the contract, but I don't think that site gives every last detail of the contract. The other factor could be Bellhorn's health, who is to say he's 100% healthy?

 

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, merely pointing out there could be other factors which complicate simply claiming the guy.

[Dick Allen]

I wonder if Sean Burroughs cleared waivers. There was that article that Borchard was going to be traded for him.

[GoSoxGo]

You could very well be right, there could be no "strings" attached to the contract, but I don't think that site gives every last detail of the contract.  The other factor could be Bellhorn's health, who is to say he's 100% healthy?

 

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, merely pointing out there could be other factors which complicate simply claiming the guy.

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MLB4U.com lists all the incentives and bonuses in players' contracts. It's a great site. As far as injuries go, I think he had a sprained thumb.

[GoSoxGo]

I wonder if Sean Burroughs cleared waivers. There was that article that Borchard was going to be traded for him.

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That trade isn't going to happen. Neither player would clear waivers and the Padres are already talking about calling Burroughs up.

[Dick Allen]

That trade isn't going to happen.  Neither player would clear waivers and the Padres are already talking about calling Burroughs up.

 

Burroughs might. Not many teams looking for 3rd baseman with Willie Harris power. KW could throw a minor leaguer their way.

[GoSoxGo]

Burroughs might. Not many teams looking for 3rd baseman with Willie Harris power. KW could throw a minor leaguer their way.

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Latest News Aug. 24, 2005 - 11:15 am et

 

Sean Burroughs will likely be called up on September 1.

Burroughs, who has batted .299 with eight doubles and a home run in 97 at-bats, has a $1.65 million salary, so they want to get him back in the big leagues.

 

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

[Dick Allen]

Latest News  Aug. 24, 2005 - 11:15 am et

 

Sean Burroughs will likely be called up on September 1.

Burroughs, who has batted .299 with eight doubles and a home run in 97 at-bats, has a $1.65 million salary, so they want to get him back in the big leagues.

 

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

That doesn't mean they wouldn't trade him. He has a good glove, and if he developed some power, could turn into a pretty good player.

[GoSoxGo]

That doesn't mean they wouldn't trade him. He has a good glove, and if he developed some power, could turn into a pretty good player.

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Well, first Burroughs would have to clear waivers and then Kenny would have to make a trade for him by August 31st. I don't see it happening.

[LosMediasBlancas]

I didn't wanna read 4 pages, is Cruddy's, err I mean Mr. Crede's finger ok??

[Dick Allen]

Well, first Burroughs would have to clear waivers and then Kenny would have to make a trade for him by August 31st.  I don't see it happening.

He might have already gone through, or he may have already been blocked. I'm pretty sure that guy who had the Borchard for Burroughs report didn't just pick it out of his ass. It probably was discussed. A lot of things could have prevented the deal from happening, and I'm not saying Burroughs can be had. I just thought he may be a possibility.

[GoSoxGo]

I didn't wanna read 4 pages, is Cruddy's, err I mean Mr. Crede's finger ok??

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No one knows yet. Crede himself seems to think it may be bad because he said his hand went completely numb after he got hit.

 

"Latest News Aug. 25, 2005 - 9:23 pm et

 

Joe Crede injured his right middle finger on a bunt attempt in the 10th inning today and will have X-rays tomorrow.

 

Pablo Ozuna will play third base if Crede needs to miss some time."

Edited August 26, 2005 by GoSoxGo

[Dick Allen]

Didn't KW have a deal for Bellhorn worked out last season for Kelly Wunsch and then Kelly got hurt?

[The Ginger Kid]

No one knows yet.  Crede himself seems to think it may be bad because he said his hand went completely numb after he got hit.

 

"Latest News  Aug. 25, 2005 - 9:23 pm et

 

Joe Crede injured his right middle finger on a bunt attempt in the 10th inning today and will have X-rays tomorrow.

 

Pablo Ozuna will play third base if Crede needs to miss some time."

 

Oh man. I've been harder on Crede than anyone but there's one thing you can't take away from him, and that's his defense. He saves runs over there and as someone else already pointed out, this is a team built on pitching and defense. And pitching and defense is what wins championships.

 

Get well, Joe!!

[LosMediasBlancas]

No one knows yet.  Crede himself seems to think it may be bad because he said his hand went completely numb after he got hit.

 

"Latest News  Aug. 25, 2005 - 9:23 pm et

 

Joe Crede injured his right middle finger on a bunt attempt in the 10th inning today and will have X-rays tomorrow.

 

Pablo Ozuna will play third base if Crede needs to miss some time."

 

I would feel bad for Mr. Crede if he's injured, but I'm ready to try someone else there for a while. I'd sacrifice some D for about 20 pts. of batting average.

[GoSoxGo]

I would feel bad for Mr. Crede if he's injured, but I'm ready to try someone else there for a while.  I'd sacrifice some D for about 20 pts. of batting average.

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Well, Bellhorn's AVG wouldn't be great but his OBP would be awesome at the bottom of our lineup.

[Dick Allen]

BTW, how many unsuccessful bunt attempts does Crede have to have before Ozzie realizes he cannot bunt. Today's effort gets him injured, which turned out to be a blessing because it got him out of the game and the runner, who never would have advanced if Crede stayed in, moved over.

[GoSoxGo]

BTW, how many unsuccessful bunt attempts does Crede have to have before Ozzie realizes he cannot bunt. Today's effort gets him injured, which turned out to be a blessing because it got him out of the game and the runner, who never would have advanced if Crede stayed in, moved over.

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That was a pretty dumb move by Ozzie. He could have just pinch-hit Iguchi or Ozuna and had one of them play 2nd base and moved Blum to 3rd base. Why is it that we all know that Crede can't bunt but Ozzie doesn't?

[fathom]

BTW, how many unsuccessful bunt attempts does Crede have to have before Ozzie realizes he cannot bunt. Today's effort gets him injured, which turned out to be a blessing because it got him out of the game and the runner, who never would have advanced if Crede stayed in, moved over.

 

It's one thing to keep Crede in to do it around the 5th or 6th inning. However, in a situation in the top of the 10th in a big game, and with two great bunters on the bench in Iguchi and Ozuna.....that was a very poor decision by Ozzie. Crede's the type of player who would have a much better chance at hitting the ball to the right side than he would if he was trying to bunt the runner over.

[GoSoxGo]

It's one thing to keep Crede in to do it around the 5th or 6th inning.  However, in a situation in the top of the 10th in a big game, and with two great bunters on the bench in Iguchi and Ozuna.....that was a very poor decision by Ozzie.  Crede's the type of player who would have a much better chance at hitting the ball to the right side than he would if he was trying to bunt the runner over.

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You forgot to add -- "but instead, he would have probably ended up popping it up to the 1st baseman."

Edited August 26, 2005 by GoSoxGo

[fathom]

You forgot to add -- "but instead, he would probably end up popping it up to 1st baseman."

 

I actually think that when Crede concentrates, he can hit the ball on the ground. It's the whole swinging away aspect which results in more pop ups than a cheap porn site.

[GoSoxGo]

I actually think that when Crede concentrates, he can hit the ball on the ground.  It's the whole swinging away aspect which results in more pop ups than a cheap porn site.

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[CWSGuy406]

Exactly....and Bellhorn is just not a good 3rd baseman.

 

You're not going to find a good defensive thirdbaseman out there.

 

So, you're gonna need to find a guy who can hit. Bellhorn can hit -- well, he can walk. And, over his career, he's both hit and walked well against lefties.

 

Late in games, he can be replaced by Blum.

 

You keep saying he's bad defensively, yet there are Boston fans -- primarily many over at BTF -- who say he's average, even slightly above. Now, at third, that'll change, and he'd probably be a little bit below average, accounting for longer throws, etc, but he's certainly not as bad as you make him out to be...

[GoSoxGo]

You're not going to find a good defensive thirdbaseman out there.

 

So, you're gonna need to find a guy who can hit.  Bellhorn can hit -- well, he can walk.  And, over his career, he's both hit and walked well against lefties.

 

Late in games, he can be replaced by Blum.

 

You keep saying he's bad defensively, yet there are Boston fans -- primarily many over at BTF -- who say he's average, even slightly above.  Now, at third, that'll change, and he'd probably be a little bit below average, accounting for longer throws, etc, but he's certainly not as bad as you make him out to be...

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That's the key. After watching Crede in this horrible slump lately, I'm not so sure his great defense outweighs his 0 for 4 nights. In fact, I don't think it does anymore. Crede could get away with playing stellar defense and only hitting around .250 but this latest slump just kills the bottom of our order. The key is to have a good defensive backup 3rd baseman that you can replace Bellhorn with late in games. Blum isn't as good as Crede defensively but he has looked pretty damn good there from what I have seen. Start Bellhorn at 3rd base and bat him lower in the lineup where his OBP will help a ton and he won't need to be counted on to drive in many runs since his AVG has never been good. When we have the lead in late innings, replace him with Blum for defense.

Edited August 26, 2005 by GoSoxGo

[fathom]

You're not going to find a good defensive thirdbaseman out there.

 

So, you're gonna need to find a guy who can hit.  Bellhorn can hit -- well, he can walk.  And, over his career, he's both hit and walked well against lefties.

 

Late in games, he can be replaced by Blum.

 

You keep saying he's bad defensively, yet there are Boston fans -- primarily many over at BTF -- who say he's average, even slightly above.  Now, at third, that'll change, and he'd probably be a little bit below average, accounting for longer throws, etc, but he's certainly not as bad as you make him out to be...

 

You think people dislike Crede now? Just wait until Bellhorn starts striking out at an alarming rate. And I don't care what other Boston fans say....I've seen Bellhorn play plenty to make a judgment on his defense.