IlliniKrush Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) I'm not saying you don't have a right to boo. As a fan you do. But what do you hope to accomplish by doing it? Positive reinforcement has been proven to be a better psychological tool to getting the best out of people. Booing a player on your team has never made any sense to me. Booing players on the other team make all the sense in the world. So I would say the best time to express your boos is when the other team takes the field prior to your team coming to bat. That's when you should express all your frustration that your team is losing. When your team finally comes to bat, if they do nothing say nothing. If they get on cheer loudly. That's what I do. I also throw a sucks in there as well to make sure my team knows I'm booing the fact the visitors are beating us. I can't create positive reinforcement if all they are doing is negative things in the ballgame. Negative reinforcement still works. Also, booing players on the other team sometimes pumps them up. Some guys like getting booed in opposing parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) I can't create positive reinforcement if all they are doing is negative things in the ballgame. Negative reinforcement still works. Also, booing players on the other team sometimes pumps them up. Some guys like getting booed in opposing parks. Good luck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) I can't create positive reinforcement if all they are doing is negative things in the ballgame. Negative reinforcement still works. Also, booing players on the other team sometimes pumps them up. Some guys like getting booed in opposing parks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In general most people respond better to positive reinforcement. There are exceptions of course. If it was up to me & I could orchestrate it for every home game I would have the fans yell in a uniformed chorus "WE WANT TO WIN!" Maybe I'll try to get the crowd going next time. That covers both cases: 1) The guys who feed on good vibes 2) The guys who need a kick in the rear once in a while Better yet it sends a STRONG message to the FRONT OFFICE as well. Edited August 26, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 03:54 PM) Maybe it's just me, but some people are blowing this comment way out of proportion. What's PK going to say....I love bandwagon jumpers, hop on board? PK is our best offensive player...he can say whatever the hell he wants as long as he produces. I bet Illini fans had no problems with Weber as their coach, even though he said some pretty stupid things. I agree. I'm not the biggest Konerko fan nor have I always agreed with everything he's said, but sometimes people read way too much into what he says... I just want him to produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) In general most people respond better to positive reinforcement. There are exceptions of course. If it was up to me & I could orchestrate it for every home game I would have the fans yell in a uniformed chorus "WE WANT TO WIN!" Maybe I'll try to get the crowd going next time. That covers both cases: 1) The guys who feed on good vibes 2) The guys who need a kick in the rear once in a while Better yet it sends a STRONG message to the FRONT OFFICE as well. Alright, this has gone too far... Players play. They aren't dogs, and won't win based on who's cheering who or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) Alright, this has gone too far... Players play. They aren't dogs, and won't win based on who's cheering who or what. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I strongly disagree & so do the players. They've said as much. There are many times when momentum shifts because players feel more energetic because the crowd is behind them. It's been documented in just about every sport. I really like the "WE WA NT TO WI N!" slogan though. At 2 letters per large card I need just 6 people. I can get at least 3 in my own party & I'm sure I can get 3 other fans to hold them up. I would love to see it on big banners across the stadium. It would be like the ultimate put down for the Cub. Edited August 26, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Konerko's just looking for excuses, and reasons to b**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) Konerko's just looking for excuses, and reasons to b**** RUN!!! Get out while you can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 Wow -- I'm surprised this quote has generated so much anti-Paulie sentiment. I think he's a guy taking a leadership stand on a team that's fighting to stay on top. But that's just me. The quote is from the Southtown: White Sox 2, Twins 1 (10 Innings) Tag it a victory Friday, August 26, 2005 By Joe Cowley Staff writer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MINNEAPOLIS — The White Sox stumbled into a three-game series at Minnesota having lost seven of eight. Once in the Twin Cities, they were bombarded by newspaper headlines labeling them "chokers." So excuse Paul Konerko if he used Thursday's 2-1 10-inning win over the Twins to thump his chest a bit. "We no longer care about people who doubt us," Konerko said. "We haven't all year. You're either with us or you're not. There's people jumping on and off the bandwagon, but from now on when you're off, there's no getting back on." With a game-winning RBI single by Timo Perez in the 10th, the Sox (77-47) took two of three from the Twins. The Sox lead second-place Cleveland by eight games in the AL Central and are 11½ games in front of the three-time defending division champion Twins. Not before enduring a couple of bizarre plays, however. Thanks to a commanding performance by starter Jon Garland (7 2/3 innings, 6 hits, 5 strikeouts), the Sox went into the bottom of the ninth ahead 1-0. After Damaso Marte walked Justin Morneau with one out, manager Ozzie Guillen went to closer Dustin Hermanson (1-2), who retired Matthew LeCroy on a popout, bringing up Michael Ryan. Chaos ensued. Ryan ripped a ball down the first-base line that sent Konerko sprawling to his left. Konerko got a glove on the ball — seemingly foul — but the ball bounced to the bullpen in right field. Konerko was lying on the ground, waiting for a foul-ball call from umpire Marty Foster, but it never came. Pinch-runner Luis Rodriguez, meanwhile, kept running the bases. The relay came back to Konerko as Rodriguez was heading home, but Konerko dropped the ball on the exchange from his glove to his hand, allowing Rodriguez to score the tying run. "I was surprised," Konerko said. "First that it wasn't called foul and then that the (relay) throw went to me. I thought (Rodriguez) was closer to home than he was, so I wasn't expecting the throw. I got caught off guard. It's just an odd play." "We got caught up arguing with the umpires, 'Is it fair or is it foul?' " Guillen said. "It's not our job to make the call. But that's something you can't get caught up in. I told them after that inning that they shouldn't leave it to the umpires to decide the game … score more than one run." In the top of the 10th, Geoff Blum greeted Twins reliever Jesse Crain (9-3) with a double to center. Joe Crede then tried to get down a bunt, but the ball struck him on his right finger and the bat (a foul ball) and forced him out of the game. Pablo Ozuna came in to bat for Crede and bunted the ball back toward Crain. The pitcher fielded the ball and threw a strike to Rodriguez at third to try to get Blum. Rather than keep his glove in front of the bag, Rodriguez tried a sweep tag on Blum, who pulled his left leg back on his slide, making Rodriguez whiff with his tag and putting the go-ahead run on third. "Blum wins that game for us by himself," Konerko said. "Not only with the double, but that was as heads-up a slide as you're going to see. That's the game right there." Blum, who entered the game hitting just .219 since being acquired from San Diego on July 31, was just glad to finally make a major contribution. "I thought it was a good bunt but the pitcher made a great play," Blum said. "Fortunately, the third baseman made a sweep tag. I took a little bit of a chance, because the ball was in there so quickly I could see what was going on." Perez then delivered what proved to be the game-winner. "The guys were upset after (the bottom of the ninth)," Konerko said. "We felt like something got taken away from us. Whether that left a chip on our shoulder or what, but we responded." Leading 2-1, Guillen gambled on rookie Bobby Jenks in the bottom of the 10th. The right-hander retired all three hitters he faced to record his first major league save. Afterward, he received his first major league beer shower. "I put (the game situation) into the back of my mind," Jenks said. "No nerves at all. I pitched like it was the fourth or fifth inning." Jenks continued gaining value in Guillen's eyes. "I said all along he would get a chance to close games," Guillen said. "He keeps pitching like that, I'm not afraid to give him more chances." The win gave the Sox a 6-5 edge in the season series with Minnesota. More important, it had them feeling good as they headed to Seattle. "I said before we left Chicago that I felt like this was going to be a good road trip," Guillen said. "To come in here and win two of three … we knew we had to play well against these guys and we did that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Wow -- I'm surprised this quote has generated so much anti-Paulie sentiment. I think he's a guy taking a leadership stand on a team that's fighting to stay on top. But that's just me. The quote is from the Southtown: Paul speaks... people complain. It's all his fault ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 I was surprised it took as long as it did for the first rip on PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) Paul speaks... people complain. It's all his fault ya know. No s***. Every time PK says anything, someone twists his words and comes on her and bashes him. It's always the same ... ummm, people ... every time. Personally, I think Paulie was trying to instill an attitude of "It's us against the world." Good for him. The team would not be hurt one iota by blocking out all the BS and focusing on proving all the doubters wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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