Punch and Judy Garland Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I don't really rely on defensive statistics so we'll have to agree to disagree on their defensive abilities. As far as Chipper going back to left, it can't happen. His hammy's just won't allow it and he is their best player. He might not be as good at third as Marte but he's the team leader and has to be in the lineup. I'm not sure that they would put him at first with Franco/LaRoche there but its possible. I think they might trade Marte for a frontline starter/reliever in the offseason, in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 And Uribe swings at everything too. Hurricane Uribe is a damn good fielder no doubt, If only he would be a lil and I mean a Lil more selective at the plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 (edited) I'd take Uribe @ 9.75/3 over Gonzalez @ 16-18/3 every day of the week. Hell - Uribe has a superior career AVG, SLG, OBP, OPS. Better career RF/ZR as a SS...the list goes on. AGon is gonna cash in way over what he is worth, probably because Rollins set the SS market insanely high. All things considered, Uribe>AGon. People calling for a SS upgrade...Gonzalez isn't the answer. Edited August 28, 2005 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) Where's Francouer? Getting demoted... Somphore slump. Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) Getting demoted... Somphore slump. Book it. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. He has no plate discipline. The most impressive thing about him is his throwing arm though. One of the best I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) Getting demoted... Somphore slump. Book it. ^ I've never seen someone with less discipline at the dish. 2 BB:30 K Why he still gets pitches to hit is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Alex Gonzalez asking for $21 mil?? lol... that's funny. Any team that gives him that is clearly desperate to throw money away. I'd be hard pressed to give BOTH Alex Gonzalez' that money. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Julio Lugo would be an awesome fit for the Sox. The D-rays have a $5 mil option on him for next year. Even if they pick him up (must be tempting for their cheap owner to just drop a $5 mil tab), he doesn't want to resign there and they will have to trade him during the season or lose him for nothing in 2006. Putting him in at the second spot in the lineup would give us two speedsters at the top who both hit for a decent average plus Gooch could get moved down to third or somewhere he could drive in more runs. Bill Mueller will be a FA after this year. With the BoSox preoccupied with resigning Johnny Damon, the Sox should swoop in and sign Bill, giving us a .300 hitter at the corner. I think Bill is a switch hitter too. Of course Chad Tracy would fit in nice at the hot corner.... Raul Ibanez will be a FA and would be a nice option to play the role Everett played this year. He plays the outfield and 1B and swings a consistent lefthanded stick... another .300 hitter. What are the opinions on resigning Paulie or Frank? I think if Frank is healthy and is signed to an incentive laden contract, the risk/reward would be worth it. Since he's pulled out of his slump, Konerko has been more attractive, but he's going to be getting at least $10 mil. I'm a litte hesitant on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) Alex Gonzalez asking for $21 mil?? lol... that's funny. Any team that gives him that is clearly desperate to throw money away. I'd be hard pressed to give BOTH Alex Gonzalez' that money. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Julio Lugo would be an awesome fit for the Sox. The D-rays have a $5 mil option on him for next year. Even if they pick him up (must be tempting for their cheap owner to just drop a $5 mil tab), he doesn't want to resign there and they will have to trade him during the season or lose him for nothing in 2006. Putting him in at the second spot in the lineup would give us two speedsters at the top who both hit for a decent average plus Gooch could get moved down to third or somewhere he could drive in more runs. Bill Mueller will be a FA after this year. With the BoSox preoccupied with resigning Johnny Damon, the Sox should swoop in and sign Bill, giving us a .300 hitter at the corner. I think Bill is a switch hitter too. Of course Chad Tracy would fit in nice at the hot corner.... Raul Ibanez will be a FA and would be a nice option to play the role Everett played this year. He plays the outfield and 1B and swings a consistent lefthanded stick... another .300 hitter. What are the opinions on resigning Paulie or Frank? I think if Frank is healthy and is signed to an incentive laden contract, the risk/reward would be worth it. Since he's pulled out of his slump, Konerko has been more attractive, but he's going to be getting at least $10 mil. I'm a litte hesitant on that. Frank is gone, I don't think there's any other way to say it. I hope the only way they'll re-sign Konerko is if they win the WS, or at least get there. He's not worth the money he'll get, but we'll have the money to throw around if we get that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) For Boston, yes. For LA, yes. For NY. yes. This is a lineup that has a hard time scoring runs. You can same the same thing about Joe. You can't have two automatic outs in a lineup that at times is starving for runs. An upgrade in the off-season is a must on the left side of the infield. Which is fine, but I think this will most likely happen at third. Crede has his back issues. Although his defense is great, a defensive SS is more valuable. We'll see a change at third next season. It's probably unlikely, but even Uribe at third wouldn't a bad idea if we added a SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) Frank is gone, I don't think there's any other way to say it. I hope the only way they'll re-sign Konerko is if they win the WS, or at least get there. He's not worth the money he'll get, but we'll have the money to throw around if we get that far. I like Konerko, but I see us going a different direction next year. I certainly could be wrong, but I think adding Erstad as our first baseman has a lot of advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 07:09 PM) I like Konerko, but I see us going a different direction next year. I certainly could be wrong, but I think adding Erstad as our first baseman has a lot of advantages. Erstad would be a disaster for this team. The last thing we need is a defensive specialist at a power position. We have enough of those guys on our roster already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 What's the facination with Chad Tracey at 3rd?? The Diamond Backs signed Glaus for a reason or two, His bat and Glove. Tracey is bad at 3rd. Not a bad hitter, but awful in the field at 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) Erstad would be a disaster for this team. The last thing we need is a defensive specialist at a power position. We have enough of those guys on our roster already. His career ops+ is 98 and hasn't been over 100 ( league average) in four years, gonna be five after this year. I am not a fan of expensive and injury riddled players. Gload>erstad probally by more than just one ''>''. I am positive people will say erstad is better than gload but they are probally on chronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) What's the facination with Chad Tracey at 3rd?? The Diamond Backs signed Glaus for a reason or two, His bat and Glove. Tracey is bad at 3rd. Not a bad hitter, but awful in the field at 3rd He can play first base extremely well and could also dh for us. If we were really desperate he could play the outfield. I still doubt the diamondbacks trade him... even they are not that stupid. Counting salaries he is the best hitter on the diamondbacks for the money... by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I was talking about this Bill Mueller will be a FA after this year. With the BoSox preoccupied with resigning Johnny Damon, the Sox should swoop in and sign Bill, giving us a .300 hitter at the corner. I think Bill is a switch hitter too. Of course Chad Tracy would fit in nice at the hot corner.... Tracy ain't bad, but not at the Hot Corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 07:21 PM) Erstad would be a disaster for this team. The last thing we need is a defensive specialist at a power position. We have enough of those guys on our roster already. A disaster is quite an overstatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 09:35 PM) A disaster is quite an overstatement. The Angels have been wanting to get rid of him for a while. He would be a huge downgrade from PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) The Angels have been wanting to get rid of him for a while. He would be a huge downgrade from PK. His price tag will be much lower than PK's, with a higher average from the left side. The money saved could still be put to use for the power you're looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) His price tag will be much lower than PK's, with a higher average from the left side. The money saved could still be put to use for the power you're looking for. Erstad Vs Konerko is + 12 poinst on the BA and - 28 HRs from a major power position. Erstad has zero power. The power lost at 1B would be extremely hard to make up for at another position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 09:59 PM) His price tag will be much lower than PK's, with a higher average from the left side. The money saved could still be put to use for the power you're looking for. Where would we add the power then? Good luck finding a 3b with power that won't cost over 10 million. Erstad is also very injury prone. If you have an infield of Erstad, Iguchi, Uribe, and Crede....you're going to have a crappy offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Erstad=last among qualified ML 1B in OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Erstad=last among qualified ML 1B in OPS He would fit in well with last in the AL in OPS at SS and 3B in Uribe and Crede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Where would we add the power then? Good luck finding a 3b with power that won't cost over 10 million. Erstad is also very injury prone. If you have an infield of Erstad, Iguchi, Uribe, and Crede....you're going to have a crappy offense. Konerko is going to cost 10 million, so that's a moot point. Erstad has had injuries, but his move to first has kept him fresh. Besides, saving money on Konerko could also provide money for a power DH which we are missing for next year. We could resign Everett, but there may be some better options. I guess I just don't agree with Erstad being a deterent on our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 10:09 PM) He would fit in well with last in the AL in OPS at SS and 3B in Uribe and Crede Chances are Crede will be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) Chances are Crede will be replaced. Says who? Who are we going to replace him with? If Fields is the 3rd baseman of the future, why sign someone to a multi-year deal to play 3b? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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