Rex Kickass Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I'm sorry, but I am listening to people in charge of federal disaster relief and they have heads up their collective ass. Sec of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was asked about the thousands of people stranded at the Convention Center on NPR this afternoon and said they didn't exist. Apparently he didn't turn on CNN, Fox News or anyone else today. NPR went back to the reporter who filed the report minutes before and said - these people have been here for three days and are being told to go here and NOTHING happens. They are chanting for help but none comes. They are living in their own filth. A lot of them couldn't afford to leave. The average income for a black person in New Orleans is under 12 thousand dollars. It was the end of the month. It took our president three days to say a thing on the damn storm. We couldn't send a hospital ship to Florida in advance of the storm? Instead we keep it in Virginia and don't send it in until 3 days after we realized what happened? Thats a week now before it gets to New Orleans. By the time the hospital ships get to Louisiana, the people its coming to help will be dead. Today he said, "we didn't anticipate the levees breaking." Funny, I read USA Today on Monday morning. There was an article talking about how it was likely that a levee would break. CNN carried the story on Sunday. If the press figured it out, and the Army Corps of Engineers said that it would happen as early as 1995 in this situation, why didn't he realize it until yesterday? I'm not blaming anything on anyone. All I'm saying is that we didn't get ready to keep this from happening - and we could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) I'm not blaming anything on anyone. All I'm saying is that we didn't get ready to keep this from happening - and we could have. I said it before, the biggest problem was that New Orleans has been knowingly relying on dumb luck for more than a century. It was never a question of IF they would get hit by the big storm, only WHEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) I said it before, the biggest problem was that New Orleans has been knowingly relying on dumb luck for more than a century. It was never a question of IF they would get hit by the big storm, only WHEN. I think you're both right. There was a great article in the paper this morning about the history of NO and the Frenchman who settled it. His own engineers told him this was a terrible site for locating a settlement but he did it anyway. Wait a second! WE CAN BLAME FRANCE FOR THIS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Can someone fill me in as far as talking about these 'snipers'? I haven't been paying enough attention to this, shame on me, but can someone tell me a little bit about what's going on...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Can someone fill me in as far as talking about these 'snipers'? I haven't been paying enough attention to this, shame on me, but can someone tell me a little bit about what's going on...? i guess a bunch of maniac looters had stolen a bunch of guns and are basically confronting and threatening medical workers. Right now, those people have the power for prolly the first time in their lives and are ruining others because of it. A sniper was shooting at a humvee convoy evacuating patients from the flooded hospital in NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 On the way home there was a report that there have been rapes at the convention center. I have yet to see that in print but I hate to say I would not be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) On the way home there was a report that there have been rapes at the convention center. I have yet to see that in print but I hate to say I would not be surprised. that was also reported on CNN around 5ish when i was watching. why the f*** would you be shooting at your help? it's boggling my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) that was also reported on CNN around 5ish when i was watching. why the f*** would you be shooting at your help? it's boggling my mind Good God... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) Good God... there were rapes AND murders, but i don't know if they said IN the convention center, they may have been talking about surrounding areas Either way, it's like hell on earth down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 CNN is reporting that Charity Hospital is on fire...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Can someone fill me in as far as talking about these 'snipers'? I haven't been paying enough attention to this, shame on me, but can someone tell me a little bit about what's going on...? I also saw an interview with a guy who was shuttling old folks out of a convalescent home to a shelter. On his way back he was carjacked. IIRC, they said there were 47 carjackings LAST NIGHT ALONE! madness Like they said on CNN, the big elephant in the living room that no one's talking about is that these are virtually all african-americans who are suffering, dying, looting and shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) that was also reported on CNN around 5ish when i was watching. why the f*** would you be shooting at your help? it's boggling my mind There were a lot of locals who were going around on their personal boats helping people out and they have been stopped by authorities because of the shootings. f***ing savages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 OK.. question.. When the water is all gone and they tear down all the destroyed homes will they just rebuild on top of it thus raising NO higher than sea level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Anderson Cooper is browbeating Senator Landrieu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I don't know who he is.. but there is a reporter tearing into a Louisiana rep on CNN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) Anderson Cooper is browbeating Senator Landrieu That's him. And she's an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) OK.. question.. When the water is all gone and they tear down all the destroyed homes will they just rebuild on top of it thus raising NO higher than sea level? good question. They had a big flood in '95 at which time they came up with a massive civil engineering project to shore up the levees and pump systems, but federal funding went away in 2000 and the project has virtually died. I can't imagine abandoning a major U.S. city and port, but what do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Federal Funding was not axed until 2002 and 2003. Homeland Security, The Iraq War and tax cuts were cited as reasons for the funding cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) good question. They had a big flood in '95 at which time they came up with a massive civil engineering project to shore up the levees and pump systems, but federal funding went away in 2000 and the project has virtually died. I can't imagine abandoning a major U.S. city and port, but what do you do? I can't believe that they KNEW this would happen, planned on fixing it, but cut the funding. Unreal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Federal Funding was not axed until 2002 and 2003. Homeland Security, The Iraq War and tax cuts were cited as reasons for the funding cuts. I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) Federal Funding was not axed until 2002 and 2003. Homeland Security, The Iraq War and tax cuts were cited as reasons for the funding cuts. I'm not going to start any bashing.. but clearly that wasn't a very good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Contractors worked on the Levee project for FREE for a whole year without funding because it was so important... and then they stopped because they no longer could get the funds for the supplies necessary to finish the job. Some of the failed levees were actually only 80% complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 My God.. this couple had to leave their baby behind and have had no idea for FOUR days if he was dead or alive... they just found him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) Contractors worked on the Levee project for FREE for a whole year without funding because it was so important... and then they stopped because they no longer could get the funds for the supplies necessary to finish the job. Some of the failed levees were actually only 80% complete. There's going to be a major backlash. Major. Politicians pointing fingers, civil rights leaders claiming discrimination, civil suits, negligence claims... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Those people shooting at medical workers and other helpers deserve to be thrown in jail for life. My father went down there yesterday to help as a doctor on an emergency response team, and he said it's just an absolute war zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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