Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:29 PM) I just showed you that he has pretty much dominated everyone buy Oakland and Boston. What the hell are you talking about. Go look at his game log. Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Anaheim, etc. etc. How come everyone hasn't crushed the lesser teams and have a low ERA like Buerhle? Because he has the best f***ing ERA in the league. Unreal. Great. He's good against everyone except probable playoff opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:30 PM) I'm just saying, it's not just him. Everyone in the media seemed to think that just cause Pods was back, it would mean the entire offense would pick up. Well the offense played much better when Podsednik was not hurt. That was there point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) whats our record since the break, and whats clevelands? What's Cleveland's record this month, and what's ours? If we don't play better, and they continue hitting the way they're doing, this division is very much up for grabs. Scoring 2 runs a game is not going to give our pitchers enough with their red-hot offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) I just showed you that he has pretty much dominated everyone buy Oakland and Boston. What the hell are you talking about. Go look at his game log. Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Anaheim, etc. etc. How come everyone hasn't crushed the lesser teams and have a low ERA like Buerhle? Because he has the best f***ing ERA in the league. Unreal. Show me the good team's he's beaten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) Last time I checked, we were the team 31 games over .500 with the best record in the AL. Who are the indians? the indians are the team about to crawl up our ass. Nice pitching and a whole lot of hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:30 PM) Great. He's good against everyone except probable playoff opponents. And theres a good reason for that. They have good freaking offenses. And he still has a quality start against BOTH of those teams. I just can't believe what I am reading. I get dumber by the minute reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Well the offense played much better when Podsednik was not hurt. That was there point. Before he was hurt, and just sitting out games they were 11-5 at one point. Look at his numbers. He doesn't drive in runners, and steals are nice, but don't mean jack if you don't score. His runs total is very ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 By good, I mean playoff caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) And theres a good reason for that. They have good freaking offenses. And he still has a quality start against BOTH of those teams. I just can't believe what I am reading. I get dumber by the minute reading this thread. I'd still take Buehrle over 90 pct of the pitchers in baseball. I think people are just disappointed that he's struggled against the top teams he's faced this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:27 PM) Because he mainly feeds off the garbage of the league. Look, I love Buehrle, but the guy hasn't performed that great this year against better teams. Wow. Yeah, plus he has a tendency to not pitch over errors and give up a lot of unearned runs. Already given up 17 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) Well, I would have agreed had I known we would play s***ty D tonight. I didn't know we would play s***ty D, and yet I knew this team was going to get shelled. I don't know if our D is will be good tommorrow but we will get shelled. I have followed this team since 1968, everyday, every game, you begin to know there tendencies. two aces got shelled two days in a row. The tendency is not good. They need a shot in the arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:33 PM) I'd still take Buehrle over 90 pct of the pitchers in baseball. I think people are just disappointed that he's struggled against the top teams he's faced this year. That's exactly how I feel. I can't sit here and argue this anymore. He hasn't beaten playoff teams and I can't watch this game anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the southside tiger Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 And look at that, Buehrle gives half of it back right off the bat. The first freakin pitch. Im not sure whats worse. The lousy offense (Im used to it now), the shoddy defense (it seems to be a recent creation) or the s***ty pitching (it seems to be getting worse as time goes on). Bostons lineup is just as mean as Texas'. So dont be happy just because Texas is seven under .500. And Im warning ya, these guys will kill BMac. And isnt it convenient that Tad gets his hit with no men on, instead of earlier when there were two outs and men on second and third? Nice clutch hitting, another thing that got us here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sweeping the 4 game series in Cleveland is just about the difference with these teams. If Cleveland would have swept, there would be a tie right now in the division at with tonights showing so far, the Sox would be looking up at the Tribe. If Cleveland just split, they would be looking to cut the lead to 3 tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Show me the good team's he's beaten? Cleveland 3 times, Texas once, Anaheim 2 times, Baltimore 2 times, Det 3 times. He has a quality start in 19 of 25 starts. And he leads the league in ERA, and 2 of those are Oakland, who owns him. Two are even KC. He's beaten plenty of good teams. And happens to lead the league in ERA. Are you still being serious? I mean you can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Our number 3 hitter continues to struggle when he's not hitting homers or facing Joe Mays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:27 PM) Nevermind the fact that he's hit the ball hard twice. you seem like an apologist for the team. and before you say I am negative, let me state I am truthful. Spot the tendencies, see the holes. I am too old to fall in love with players and be a fan like a kid. I want a winner. You can't wish for winners, they actually need to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I never really thought we were all that much better than Cleveland. The large lead was pretty much a result of our easy 1st half schedule. In the 2nd half, the schedules are basically reversed. I still think we'll win the division but it wouldn't surprise me if the Indians cut it down to 1 or 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) I'd still take Buehrle over 90 pct of the pitchers in baseball. I think people are just disappointed that he's struggled against the top teams he's faced this year. But he hasn't. Thats just the f***ing thing. Nobody bothers to look anything up. He's gotten hit around by Oakland twice and Boston once. Lots of awesome pitchers get beat around by those guys. Seriously. At least do some research before spouting off garbage. Two of his non QS are against KC. I suppose that makes him not a great pitcher because he can't dominate the bad teams. I mean, i just can't believe what I"m reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:37 PM) Our number 3 hitter continues to struggle when he's not hitting homers or facing Joe Mays. There is not 1 team in MLB where Everett is a 3 hitter, except the South side of Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) whats our record since the break, and whats clevelands? clealnd has the best record in baseball since the break. i think we are a few games over 500 since the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:37 PM) you seem like an apologist for the team. and before you say I am negative, let me state I am truthful. Spot the tendencies, see the holes. I am too old to fall in love with players and be a fan like a kid. I want a winner. You can't wish for winners, they actually need to be made. I stated a fact. There is no apologizing. How can you be an apologist for the best team in the AL. YOu want a winner? You have one, by 5.5 games in the freaking AL. I just get sick of some of these incredibly dumb posts I'm reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) Cleveland 3 times, Texas once, Anaheim 2 times, Baltimore 2 times, Det 3 times. He has a quality start in 19 of 25 starts. And he leads the league in ERA, and 2 of those are Oakland, who owns him. Two are even KC. He's beaten plenty of good teams. And happens to lead the league in ERA. Are you still being serious? I mean you can't be. He hasn't beaten LA at all, so you're making up stats. Cleveland was bad when he beat them, and Baltimore was awful the second time. Playoff teams, he hasn't beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the southside tiger Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Cleveland 3 times, Texas once, Anaheim 2 times, Baltimore 2 times, Det 3 times. Are you still being serious? I mean you can't be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Detroit? Sorry, but in no way is Detroit a good team. Id put them closer to KC than to Boston. Jermaine grounds out with runners on first and second. It seems that we have adopted selectively unclutch hitting. Get out when it counts, and get hits when it doesnt. I swear, I bet JD homers in his next AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:38 AM) But he hasn't. Thats just the f***ing thing. Nobody bothers to look anything up. He's gotten hit around by Oakland twice and Boston once. Lots of awesome pitchers get beat around by those guys. Seriously. At least do some research before spouting off garbage. Two of his non QS are against KC. I suppose that makes him not a great pitcher because he can't dominate the bad teams. I mean, i just can't believe what I"m reading. He struggled against Boston and Oakland. He's struggled in 2 out of 3 games against the Twins. He's having a very good season...but he has to pick up his game the rest of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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