YASNY Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Capn12 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Yeah, I use that approach for any topic YAS starts! Whatever works my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Great job Jason. I know we have talked at length about this stuff, and I am glad to see that many other people agree with me. I used to believe that the established posters deserved a little more leeway than others. As I watched this board grow, I have come to realize that it may in fact be the opposite. Because new posters look to the regulars for examples of how to act, if the regulars get away with murder, that in fact sets the example that it is OK to act like an idiot. At that point it only builds upon itself if the mods and admins don't do something to show that this behavior is in fact NOT going to be tolerated, which was never really done. As a group the mods and admins hoped that this stuff would die down, by not harping on it. The problem is that it never really has. Some problems have festered beyond belief and brought all kinds of ugliness to the board. Well it ends today. What made this transition harder was the fact that many, many, people know each other outside of here very well and/or have been posting together for so long, that no one ever felt the need to police there own. That was another miscalculation. In fact that should make it easier to communicate change when there is a problem, and that was never really utilized until now either. I fully believe that the fact that many people know each other, can actually make cleaning this board up easier instead of harder. This will make it easier for people to realize that this is not a personal thing that is being done. The quality of what goes on here has deteriorated over this season, there is no denying that. As a matter of a fact you have to look no further than the wide spread approval throughout this thread, and the almost complete lack of dissension on the opposite end of the spectrum. Your voices have been heard, and now something is going to be done. As a matter of a fact know this from the start. There is now zero tolerance for personal attacks. No one is exempt from this either, and that actually makes it much more easy to enforce. If you saying something about someone, you will take a vacation, it is that simple. It also makes it easy to enforce, with absolutely no hint of favoritism. That's why there is also the fact that nothing that is in the past will be held against anyone anymore. If you are not banned already, you have no blackmarks against your record. Even if you have been suspended before or warned for something else before, you have a clean slate in the eyes of the mods and admins. So whether you are new or old, on the edge or clean, all acts are the same now. You will be judged on your posts and actions from here on out. And finally some of you may have guessed, or already know, but... I'm back. I really believe in this, and believe it is best for the site. I want to be a part of setting things right here, and making this place great again. There is no need for personal and player attacks in the context of enjoying the Chicago White Sox, and now there will not be any here. PM me if you have anything you want to discuss in private, or as always you can reply to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Well, I suppose this means there's some good news, and some bad news...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Looks like order will be restored on SoxTalk. Thanks for stepping up mods and adm's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) Well, I suppose this means there's some good news, and some bad news...... Yeah it means you are no longer the most incredible person here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) I've been PMing some of the biggest and brightest posters about this issue and to a person, they wish we could return to a time when everyone knew everyone, people really knew what we meant, not what we typed. We've grown too big for small town USA. Most will not know what we meant, they only know what is on their screens. Patiently waiting for PM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(mreye @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) Patiently waiting for PM... LOL. See, you're not important. The only reason you think you are is because you signed up the same day as southsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 soxtalk's superhero is back. hope can be restored in gotham. woo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:21 AM) soxtalk's superhero is back. hope can be restored in gotham. woo Chris Tucker: "Hey I know this man, that's Robin!!!" I've watched too many Celebrity Jeopardy skits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) soxtalk's superhero is back. hope can be restored in gotham. woo QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 08:16 AM) Great job Jason. I know we have talked at length about this stuff, and I am glad to see that many other people agree with me. I used to believe that the established posters deserved a little more leeway than others. As I watched this board grow, I have come to realize that it may in fact be the opposite. Because new posters look to the regulars for examples of how to act, if the regulars get away with murder, that in fact sets the example that it is OK to act like an idiot. At that point it only builds upon itself if the mods and admins don't do something to show that this behavior is in fact NOT going to be tolerated, which was never really done. As a group the mods and admins hoped that this stuff would die down, by not harping on it. The problem is that it never really has. Some problems have festered beyond belief and brought all kinds of ugliness to the board. Well it ends today. That part made him sound like a superhero. Honestly, I like the idea of punishing personal attacks, but I'm not as happy with the ban on attacking players (and I don't mean Lique-style). I'm almost afraid to say that a player sucks when, in fact, that player does suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) That part made him sound like a superhero. Honestly, I like the idea of punishing personal attacks, but I'm not as happy with the ban on attacking players (and I don't mean Lique-style). I'm almost afraid to say that a player sucks when, in fact, that player does suck. I don't think that's quite as bad as Timo's blowing Ozzie, and that sort of junk. Or, so and so sucks AT THE PLATE, or so and so sucks IN THE FIELD (hello, Iguchi). That becomes a discussion on how they're playing as opposed to the person. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) That part made him sound like a superhero. Honestly, I like the idea of punishing personal attacks, but I'm not as happy with the ban on attacking players (and I don't mean Lique-style). I'm almost afraid to say that a player sucks when, in fact, that player does suck. There is a big line there. Something like "OMIT TIMO" is very different than "I wish Timo would get flaming hemeroids after blowing Ozzie and die a slow painful death". Saying a player sucks isn't going to get you in trouble. Saying a player sucks for his job, that's a different story, and will get you a vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:02 AM) I don't think that's quite as bad as Timo's blowing Ozzie, and that sort of junk. Or, so and so sucks AT THE PLATE, or so and so sucks IN THE FIELD (hello, Iguchi). That becomes a discussion on how they're playing as opposed to the person. Make sense? Yep, I get it. That shouldn't be a hard transition for me, since I can't even remembre the last Timo/Ozzie joke I made. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:08 AM) There is a big line there. Something like "OMIT TIMO" is very different than "I wish Timo would get flaming hemeroids after blowing Ozzie and die a slow painful death". Saying a player sucks isn't going to get you in trouble. Saying a player sucks for his job, that's a different story, and will get you a vacation. So, I can't say that Timo Perez should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) Yep, I get it. That shouldn't be a hard transition for me, since I can't even remembre the last Timo/Ozzie joke I made. So, I can't say that Timo Perez should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell? Um, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 This Post reaks of a scene from Monty Python and Holy Grail in which the guards keep getting the directions wrong for guarding the prince from fleeing his wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 08:07 AM) LOL. See, you're not important. The only reason you think you are is because you signed up the same day as southsider. Ouch. That hurts. Personal attack! Personal attack!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I still think that whatever is said. People with 30,000 posts are going to get more benefit of the doubt than someone who has 14. No matter how much you say it, its still going to be the case because you know the poster's history of contributing, and you know that they will continue to post relevant facts and intelligent arguments, whereas the newbie may just be a hothead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) I still think that whatever is said. People with 30,000 posts are going to get more benefit of the doubt than someone who has 14. No matter how much you say it, its still going to be the case because you know the poster's history of contributing, and you know that they will continue to post relevant facts and intelligent arguments, whereas the newbie may just be a hothead. Well since there is only one person here with 30,000 posts, I think everyone else is all right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:23 AM) Well since there is only one person here with 30,000 posts, I think everyone else is all right SSR=redefining hovering. That was fast. Seriously though, its a true statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSNS-TV44 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:24 AM) Chris Tucker: "Hey I know this man, that's Robin!!!" I've watched too many Celebrity Jeopardy skits. I love those "Celebrity Jeopardy!" skits.They're classics! But okay,I may be new here,but it good to know there can be a good feeling when anyone (including me) can log-on to a great message board like this,and with the best people in the planet,SOX FANS! So with that said,i'll play by the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:23 AM) Well since there is only one person here with 30,000 posts , I think everyone else is all right "Nothin to be proud of Rus" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) SSR=redefining hovering. That was fast. Seriously though, its a true statement. Actually the point is that we are getting past all of that. If you say something about anyone else, you are gone. Its much easier than the old system of determining who said to whom, and how bad it was, and what context it was etc... This is much more cut and dry. Say something about someone, get a few days off. It also takes the angle of post totals and friendships out of the equation as it is right there in black and white for people to refer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) Actually the point is that we are getting past all of that. If you say something about anyone else, you are gone. Its much easier than the old system of determining who said to whom, and how bad it was, and what context it was etc... This is much more cut and dry. Say something about someone, get a few days off. It also takes the angle of post totals and friendships out of the equation as it is right there in black and white for people to refer to. with this "clean slate" approach, does that mean I get my alternate personalities back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) with this "clean slate" approach, does that mean I get my alternate personalities back? You trying to tell me something babybearhater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 So, what are the White Sox offering for the censoring of things like "pop up paulie" and "crediocre". Man, throw someone a bone like "Core of the Core" and see how fast things change. I hope the "respectability" and "credibility" of the new WSI junior is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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