Buehrle thinks Rangers might be cheating

[wsox08]

Lets just all agree that coming out right after the bad performance and making such comments was not a real smart thing to do by Buehrle, and leave it at that. It would have served him better to just tell his coaches and teammates to look out for it the next 2 days, tehn saying anything to the press.

[JoshPR]

[IlliniKrush]

Tell me that they couldnt change the signs per inning, maybe change the indicator or the sequence. 

 

I dont mind that Buerhle spoke his mind, but AJ and our coaching staff should be able to adapt to sign stealing.

 

And who are we to talk about stealing signs.  We for many a year employed one of the best sign stealers in baseball as a bench coach. 

 

Lets get real.

 

Stealing signs that is done by a player or coach is way, way, way, way, way different than guys working the scoreboard with binoculars stealing signs.

 

One is part of the game, to some degree. The other is just flat-out cheating. It requires no skill, it's just there for the taking.

[YASNY]

Stealing signs that is done by a player or coach is way, way, way, way, way different than guys working the scoreboard with binoculars stealing signs.

 

One is part of the game, to some degree. The other is just flat-out cheating. It requires no skill, it's just there for the taking.

 

Well put, Krush.

[EvilJester99]

Didn't teams at one point even hire lip readers to observe a pitcher and catcher talking and thats why they cover their mouths as they talk?? I thought I heard that at one point or another.

[Milkman delivers]

I bet the A's and Red Sox cheated, too.

[SnB]

Didn't teams at one point even hire lip readers to observe a pitcher and catcher talking and thats why they cover their mouths as they talk?? I thought I heard that at one point or another.

yes, but once again, like krush said, something like that requires some sort of skill from the dugout. Not electronic crap, yadda yadda yadda.

[Steff]

In the last 66 innings Mark has given up 46 runs.. 33 earned.

 

 

Instead of playing Dick Tracey... maybe work on giving up less hits.

[BigSqwert]

In the last 66 innings Mark has given up 46 runs.. 33 earned.

Instead of playing Dick Tracey... maybe work on giving up less hits.

 

[kapkomet]

I like Buck Showalter's comments.

 

(paraphrasing) We do have the grassy knoll out there in Center Field.

 

 

Personally, I think that was a shot that if they are, they won't be the next three games.

 

And if they're not, he sure thinks it's interesting how they can bat .285 at home and .259 on the road.

[Colorado Sox Fan]

I bet the A's and Red Sox cheated, too.

Yes. And the Mariners on Sunday were cheating real bad. And the Yankees a couple of games, too--in our own park, no less. They snuck into US Cellular and cheated...They found out where to go from the Twins, who cheated all three games at US Cellular. And that homer that Freddy gave up in the Dome? Yup. The Twins were tipped off. Didn't you see the guy with the big sign that said: "Here comes a cookie!"?

[Colorado Sox Fan]

In the last 66 innings Mark has given up 46 runs.. 33 earned.

Instead of playing Dick Tracey... maybe work on giving up less hits.

[kapkomet]

Yes. And the Mariners on Sunday were cheating real bad. And the Yankees a couple of games, too--in our own park, no less. They snuck into US Cellular and cheated...They found out where to go from the Twins, who cheated all three games at US Cellular. And that homer that Freddy gave up in the Dome? Yup. The Twins were tipped off. Didn't you see the guy with the big sign that said: "Here comes a cookie!"?

I'm going to repeat what I just said in an earlier post. The Rangers are WAAAAAAY different in their approach when they hit on the road and when they hit at home. It does raise an interesting question. That's it.

[fathom]

I'm going to repeat what I just said in an earlier post.  The Rangers are WAAAAAAY different in their approach when they hit on the road and when they hit at home.  It does raise an interesting question.  That's it.

 

The ball jumps out of the park in Arlington, especially with how hot it is. Also, it's not like the other parks in the AL West are hitter friendly. A lot of times, it's just the mindset of the players. Colorado is a perfect example of how a player can get so out of whack in their mentality between home and away.

[fathom]

Since this was such a big series for the Rangers, I'm sure they used their "secret weapon". A meaningless late August game against the White Sox sure would be worth giving away any advantage they could give themselves in actual big games vs teams in the AL West.

[Milkman delivers]

Yes. And the Mariners on Sunday were cheating real bad. And the Yankees a couple of games, too--in our own park, no less. They snuck into US Cellular and cheated...They found out where to go from the Twins, who cheated all three games at US Cellular. And that homer that Freddy gave up in the Dome? Yup. The Twins were tipped off. Didn't you see the guy with the big sign that said: "Here comes a cookie!"?

 

My comment was sarcastic. I can't tell if you knew that or not.

[kapkomet]

The ball jumps out of the park in Arlington, especially with how hot it is. Also, it's not like the other parks in the AL West are hitter friendly.  A lot of times, it's just the mindset of the players.  Colorado is a perfect example of how a player can get so out of whack in their mentality between home and away.

Yea, the ball jumps here. There's no doubt about that. The thing about MB from what I saw on the highlights (I was in class) was that he was getting hit on pitches that were in the "right spot"... normally, when a pitcher is biting on the corners, they don't get hit that hard. And they were tagging the ball no matter where he pitched it.

[kapkomet]

Since this was such a big series for the Rangers, I'm sure they used their "secret weapon".  A meaningless late August game against the White Sox sure would be worth giving away any advantage they could give themselves in actual big games vs teams in the AL West.

All their games are meaningless. They're out of it, and they know it.

[fathom]

Yea, the ball jumps here.  There's no doubt about that.  The thing about MB from what I saw on the highlights (I was in class) was that he was getting hit on pitches that were in the "right spot"... normally, when a pitcher is biting on the corners, they don't get hit that hard.  And they were tagging the ball no matter where he pitched it.

 

The thing is, Rangers have some very good opposite field hitters. Guys like M. Young and Derosa have a natural stroke to the opposite field. One pitch that really bothered me last night was in the first inning to M. Young. With a guy on 2nd and no outs, it was obvious he was trying to hit it to right field. And what do we give him to hit? An outside change-up.

 

The way Buehrle pitches, he's going to have nights where the ball finds holes more than usual. He'll also have games where he gets 4 double plays to get out of innings.

[Steff]

All their games are meaningless.  They're out of it, and they know it.

 

 

Wow.. I hope that's not their attitude.

[kapkomet]

Wow.. I hope that's not their attitude.

To rephrase, they are playing for next year, not this year.

[Chisoxrd5]

All their games are meaningless.  They're out of it, and they know it.

 

Soriano kinda plays like they are always out of it...That guy can hit, no doubt, but I would never want him on my team.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Lets just all agree that coming out right after the bad performance and making such comments was not a real smart thing to do by Buehrle, and leave it at that. It would have served him better to just tell his coaches and teammates to look out for it the next 2 days, tehn saying anything to the press.

I would have agreed until I read Soxbadger's astute take on it. If they're not cheating, than it's a couple days of media heat on mark for his comments, which is nothing he or the team can't handle. If they were cheating, it is highly unlikely they will try to get away with it for the rest of this series with everybody looking for it, and the Sox are assured of a level playing field for the next 3 games.

 

I agree with SB that if Mark felt the need to call the Rangers out on his suspicions, now is teh most beneficial time to do it from the White Sox perspective.

[fathom]

Soriano kinda plays like they are always out of it...That guy can hit, no doubt, but I would never want him on my team.

 

I'd gladly take him on our team over any of our other hitters.

[fathom]

I agree with SB that if Mark felt the need to call the Rangers out on his suspicions, now is teh most beneficial time to do it from the White Sox perspective.

 

If you feel like a team is cheating...you take advantage of this. If we honestly thought they were stealing signs, then you switch the signs around and try to trick them into believing the wrong pitch was coming. I remember in high school baseball when our coach would steal signs. It was good to know what was coming. However, if the other team switched their signs, and our coach relayed the wrong pitch....you were screwed.