DBAHO Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) your point would be valid if BMac ever had good numbers in the minors. The only time he has ever been good is the three week stretch in spring training. Adding onto last year's wonderful numbers in 3 different stops (which was the whole reason he was starting in spring training in the 1st place), McCarthy has something like a 2 ERA in a hitter's paradise down in Charlotte since he was last demoted. Add that onto the 130/32 K/BB ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) It wouldn't surprise me to see Konerko go back to the Dodgers. I know Lasorda loves him, and they don't seem very high on Choi. Yeah that wouldn't suprise me, and I'd love to see Jeff Kent coming back the other way, but that won't happen. A team like the Padres could enter the bidding as well, especially if they lose Brian Giles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Adding onto last year's wonderful numbers in 3 different stops (which was the whole reason he was starting in spring training in the 1st place), McCarthy has something like a 2 ERA in a hitter's paradise down in Charlotte since he was last demoted. Add that onto the 130/32 K/BB ratio. I'd love to see McCarthy pitch well the rest of this season, as it could have a big influence on what our team looks like next season. If McCarthy shows he has a chance to be a competent start next season, it just raises the likelihood we can trade someone like Contreras to improve our offense next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) Konerko has stated recently he doesn't want to go play for an East Coast Team because he doesn't want to live there. That cuts the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox out of the bidding. And I doubt Gload will be back next season, if he has a choice. Money talks, and you know what walks. How many players (Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina come to mind) said they would never play for New York, and look what happens. They bend over and take it in the cash. PK is probably gone. The Dodgers are another possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) Money talks, and you know what walks. How many players (Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina come to mind) said they would never play for New York, and look what happens. They bend over and take it in the cash. PK is probably gone. The Dodgers are another possibility. If they get a big bat that also can hit for average (yes, I'm dreaming), I'm all for Paul KKKKKKKKKKKKKonerko being gone. Edited August 30, 2005 by kapkomet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) Money talks, and you know what walks. How many players (Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina come to mind) said they would never play for New York, and look what happens. They bend over and take it in the cash. PK is probably gone. The Dodgers are another possibility. Ok let's have a look at those teams. Yankees - Giambi has rebounded, and they may keep Martinez around for another year because he's a BIG fan favorite. Mets - Mike Jacobs has come up and absolutely pulverized the ball. Their #1 FA target is Hernandez from the Padres anyways. Red Sox - The team that makes the most sense. Will depend on what they do with Manny this off-season though. No-one thought Sexson would go to Seattle, some team could sneak in and get Konerko besides those big teams. Someone like Baltimore (although yes they're near the east coast), the team I've mentioned, or my sleeper the Toronto Blue Jays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) If they get a big bat that also can hot for average (yes, I'm dreaming), I'm all for Paul KKKKKKKKKKKKKonerko being gone. AS would I, just not sure who we could get. I know we have the $$$, and I don't want to overpay for Pop Up Paulie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 The Mets will be involved in the Manny trade rumors this offseason. I predicted 4 months ago that our first baseman next year would be Carlos Pena (not cause I like him, just a wild guess). He's come back from the minors destroying the ball. I'm not sure Tigers will keep him after this year with Chris Shelton looking like a solid MLB player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) AS would I, just not sure who we could get. I know we have the $$$, and I don't want to overpay for Pop Up Paulie. I honestly hope a lot of you aren't disappointed when we don't spend all this money we supposedly have. I would love to be wrong, but I'm not expecting a lot of big spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) I honestly hope a lot of you aren't disappointed when we don't spend all this money we supposedly have. I would love to be wrong, but I'm not expecting a lot of big spending. I don't think we expect Big Money to be spend, but I think money will be spend. There has been a tremendous spike in attendance. (15 sellouts?) KW can fly under the radar and say not to expect anything big, but I expect something to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) I honestly hope a lot of you aren't disappointed when we don't spend all this money we supposedly have. I would love to be wrong, but I'm not expecting a lot of big spending. Why do you think they won't so much, when recent history seems to indicate anything but that? They payroll has always increased/decreased with the corresponding move in attendance. We are looking at about a 20% increase in this years attendance, so now all of the sudden the Sox will turn their backs on about 10 years worth of behavior? Why do you think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) Why do you think they won't so much, when recent history seems to indicate anything but that? They payroll has always increased/decreased with the corresponding move in attendance. We are looking at about a 20% increase in this years attendance, so now all of the sudden the Sox will turn their backs on about 10 years worth of behavior? Why do you think that? Exactly The Reinsdorf Therom Attendance = payroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) Why do you think they won't so much, when recent history seems to indicate anything but that? They payroll has always increased/decreased with the corresponding move in attendance. We are looking at about a 20% increase in this years attendance, so now all of the sudden the Sox will turn their backs on about 10 years worth of behavior? Why do you think that? Because I think a lot of our core team is already in place, and we have a lot of raises to give to guys like Garland and AJP. Which players out there are we going to spend a lot of money on, and at what positions? It's too bad Glaus wasn't a FA this season, as I always thought he would have been a monster at the Cell. If we do have so much money to spend, we need to lock up Garland to a 4 year deal, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Cotts get an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) Why do you think they won't so much, when recent history seems to indicate anything but that? They payroll has always increased/decreased with the corresponding move in attendance. We are looking at about a 20% increase in this years attendance, so now all of the sudden the Sox will turn their backs on about 10 years worth of behavior? Why do you think that? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but how much did the payroll increase after we last made the playoffs? Also, what if we don't make the playoffs this year? Thanks for the information, I always find these types of statistics a lot more informative than stupid article's by columnists saying how a team needs to sign such and such player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:18 AM) Because I think a lot of our core team is already in place, and we have a lot of raises to give to guys like Garland and AJP. Which players out there are we going to spend a lot of money on, and at what positions? It's too bad Glaus wasn't a FA this season, as I always thought he would have been a monster at the Cell. If we do have so much money to spend, we need to lock up Garland to a 4 year deal, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Cotts get an extension. We are never active players on the UFA market, but we all know Kenny Williams LOVES to go after the biggest name possible in the trade market. Kenny is going to get another bat, we all can see that. He will do more if he loses Konerko as well. For once this off-season we will be able take on cash in a deal, and won't have to worry about giving up great players to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) We are never active players on the UFA market, but we all know Kenny Williams LOVES to go after the biggest name possible in the trade market. Kenny is going to get another bat, we all can see that. He will do more if he loses Konerko as well. For once this off-season we will be able take on cash in a deal, and won't have to worry about giving up great players to do it. I still think we'll trade Contreras though. Would we try and become a player in the Manny market? I really think there's a chance we put Dye at 1b, and try to find another outfielder to bridge the gap until our prospects are fully ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) I don't have the numbers in front of me, but how much did the payroll increase after we last made the playoffs? Also, what if we don't make the playoffs this year? Thanks for the information, I always find these types of statistics a lot more informative than stupid article's by columnists saying how a team needs to sign such and such player. In 1999 we drew about 1.35 million people 2000 we drew about 1.95 mil In 2000 payroll was just over $31 million 2001 it was $65 million attendance---> http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/wsoxatte.shtml payroll----> http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/sa...lts.aspx?team=4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:23 AM) I still think we'll trade Contreras though. Would we try and become a player in the Manny market? I really think there's a chance we put Dye at 1b, and try to find another outfielder to bridge the gap until our prospects are fully ready. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if we made a real move in the Griffey market. I could see a Contreras/Griffey/cash trade happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 With the way he played at the end of 2004, I don't know why nobody sees GLoad as a viable replacement. He hits for average (nobody else on the team does), he is a lefty, plays a solid 1B (was a defensive replacement for Konerko in several games), I think he even batted 3rd at the end of 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:28 PM) Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if we made a real move in the Griffey market. I could see a Contreras/Griffey/cash trade happening. I don't see Griffey Jr. approving a trade here. He really wants to have spring training in Florida. If he's not overly excited about coming here when we have a great shot at the playoffs...I don't think he'll be overly excited about coming here to start the season. I think we have a better chance at going after Huff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) With the way he played at the end of 2004, I don't know why nobody sees GLoad as a viable replacement. He hits for average (nobody else on the team does), he is a lefty, plays a solid 1B (was a defensive replacement for Konerko in several games), I think he even batted 3rd at the end of 2004 Exactly, AT THE END! He faced a lot of September call-ups during that stretch. Gload is a very solid bench player, but you're team is at a major disadvantage at the 1b position compared to other teams if he's your starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Exactly, AT THE END! He faced a lot of September call-ups during that stretch. Gload is a very solid bench player, but you're team is at a major disadvantage at the 1b position compared to other teams if he's your starter. Compare that to now. Where does PK rack against the 1B of the contenting AL teams. Giambi is better. Ortiz is better (when he plays 1B), Cleveland and Anahiem are better too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 Anybody that can not see that giving Gload a chance is worth it for the struggling offense, must be one of Ozzie's boys too. There is no logical explanation for not trying to shake things up when the offense is struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) Compare that to now. Where does PK rack against the 1B of the contenting AL teams. Giambi is better. Ortiz is better (when he plays 1B), Cleveland and Anahiem are better too There's no comparison between the offensive production of PK and Gload. PK's numbers at least can be compared to those guys you mentioned, and not be laughed at. And Anaheim's first baseman isn't even in the same league as PK or those other guys. Actually, the guys you all list are mostly DH. PK is better than Broussard, Millar, Erstad, and Tino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) Anybody that can not see that giving Gload a chance is worth it for the struggling offense, must be one of Ozzie's boys too. There is no logical explanation for not trying to shake things up when the offense is struggling. Greg.. we got it the first 58 times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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