qwerty Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Are you a personal friend of Marte? The dude is supposed to be a lefty specialist. WHY CAN'T HET GET LEFTIES OUT? Marte has been average to below average for a while now. It's not like this was his first bad performance in a while. I never recall marte being a lefty specialist. He was one of the rare lefties out of the pen that could get both lefties and righties out at a ridiculous rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) We will get swept in the playoffs if ozzie continues this sort of managing the last two years now. He is beyond ridiculous. He has to look at f***ing splits and realize realize marte is far superior verse righties than lefties. He also has to realize cotts has been far superior against both righties and lefties than marte has this year. But ozzie does not look at stats... therefore the problems with the pen. edit: can't say that anymore... carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 What is he saying in the post game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) I never recall marte being a lefty specialist. He was one of the rare lefties out of the pen that could get both lefties and righties out at a ridiculous rate. WAS He s***s the bed the minute a lefty comes in and crowd the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) Ozzie's already being second guessed in the postgame conference. At least he's taking responsibility if they lose. I'm upset with Ozzie's managing...but at least we won! No no, he was first guessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) edit: can't say that anymore... carry on. Pm me what you were gonna say if you can... I am sick of it. You can't back up marte here and you also cannot call ozzie a bad manager? You cannot second guess ozzie or even question a move of his before it's done without getting smartass remarks from his backers ( sox best record in american league... hehe). Give me a break. He is a borderline awful in game manager... but i know... the sox are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 02:56 AM) Pm me what you were gonna say if you can... I am sick of it. You can't back up marte here and you also cannot call ozzie a bad manager? You cannot second guess ozzie or even question a move of his before it's done without getting smartass remarks from his backers ( sox best record in american league... hehe). Give me a break. He is a borderline awful in game manager... but i know... the sox are winning. I'm fairly confident even the biggest Ozzie supporters are pissed about the way he handled our bullpen tonight. The best news of the night is that we won! The next best news is hopefully this will be the end of Marte in a late game situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) We will get swept in the playoffs if ozzie continues this sort of managing the last two years now. He is beyond ridiculous. He has to look at f***ing splits and realize realize marte is far superior verse righties than lefties. He also has to realize cotts has been far superior against both righties and lefties than marte has this year. But ozzie does not look at stats... therefore the problems with the pen. He doesn't even have to look at the splits. Watch them pitch, it's that f'n simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 02:58 AM) I'm fairly confident even the biggest Ozzie supporters are pissed about the way he handled our bullpen tonight. The best news of the night is that we won! The next best news is hopefully this will be the end of Marte in a late game situation. Since Marte stunk up the joint tonight maybe Cotts will get to pitch again this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) I never recall marte being a lefty specialist. He was one of the rare lefties out of the pen that could get both lefties and righties out at a ridiculous rate. This says otherwise. 2002 vs lefties: .149 BAA, 0.82 WHIP. 2003 vs lefties: .168 BAA, 0.85 WHIP. 2004 VS lefties: .143 BAA, 0.86 WHIP Don't even try to fight me on this one, Qwerty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 02:59 AM) He doesn't even have to look at the splits. Watch them pitch, it's that f'n simple. No kidding. It's real simple with Marte. The only pitch he can use effectively now is his high fastballs to righty hitters. If he throws that same pitch to a lefty, it ends up hitting/brushing back the lefty hitter. His slider against lefties is awful now, as he has to hang it to throw it for a strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) This says otherwise. 2002 vs lefties: .149 BAA, 0.82 WHIP. 2003 vs lefties: .168 BAA, 0.85 WHIP. 2004 VS lefties: .143 BAA, 0.86 WHIP Don't even try to fight me on this one, Qwerty. He said he was MORE than just a lefty specialist. Don't attack the guy, read what he says first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 10:00 PM) This says otherwise. 2002 vs lefties: .149 BAA, 0.82 WHIP. 2003 vs lefties: .168 BAA, 0.85 WHIP. 2004 VS lefties: .143 BAA, 0.86 WHIP Don't even try to fight me on this one, Qwerty. He was not strickly a lefty specialist... that is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) He said he was MORE than just a lefty specialist. Don't attack the guy, read what he says first. I'm not attacking anybody. I just gave proof that Marte OWNED lefties from 2002-2004. This year, he f***in sucks. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:56 PM) Pm me what you were gonna say if you can... I am sick of it. You can't back up marte here and you also cannot call ozzie a bad manager? You cannot second guess ozzie or even question a move of his before it's done without getting smartass remarks from his backers ( sox best record in american league... hehe). Give me a break. He is a borderline awful in game manager... but i know... the sox are winning. You can say whatever you want. I'll just go back to not posting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) He was not strickly a lefty specialist... that is my point. Whatever you want to call him. Bottomline, Marte has not gotten the job done this season against lefties. Edited September 8, 2005 by Jordan4life_2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 03:02 AM) Whatever you want to call him. Bottomline, Marte has not gotten the job done this season against lefties. I think we can all agree on that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) This says otherwise. 2002 vs lefties: .149 BAA, 0.82 WHIP. 2003 vs lefties: .168 BAA, 0.85 WHIP. 2004 VS lefties: .143 BAA, 0.86 WHIP Don't even try to fight me on this one, Qwerty. 2005, which is this year .270 BAA with a .385OBP against the ol lefties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Sox Fan Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 I really, really, really don't understand our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 03:03 AM) 2005, which is this year .270 BAA with a .385OBP against the ol lefties. Those numbers would make him one of our best hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) 2005, which is this year .270 BAA with a .385OBP against the ol lefties. Please don't remind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) We will get swept in the playoffs if ozzie continues this sort of managing the last two years now. He is beyond ridiculous. He has to look at f***ing splits and realize realize marte is far superior verse righties than lefties. He also has to realize cotts has been far superior against both righties and lefties than marte has this year. But ozzie does not look at stats... therefore the problems with the pen. What is this problem of which you speak? We have the second best bullpen ERA in the league and the best save % in the league. Ozzie makes some dumb moves from time to time, but with numbers like those, he's doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 09:12 PM) What is this problem of which you speak? We have the second best bullpen ERA in the league and the best save % in the league. Ozzie makes some dumb moves from time to time, but with numbers like those, he's doing something right. You can get away with stupidity like that against the Royals. But against the A's, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 11:12 PM) What is this problem of which you speak? We have the second best bullpen ERA in the league and the best save % in the league. Ozzie makes some dumb moves from time to time, but with numbers like those, he's doing something right. True. Even the blind pig can find the truffle sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 03:14 AM) You can get away with stupidity like that against the Royals. But against the A's, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels? I think not. He's done similar things against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels this year, and Marte needed to be bailed out by another reliever or the Sox offense in the next inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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