Duque/McCarthy situation

[Milkman delivers]

I'm with you on that.  I don't want people telling me how great he was 5 years ago.  Thats like telling me how great Frank was 5 years ago and how nice it would be to have him in the lineup.  Obviously those things would be great, but its not going to happen. 

 

Fact is El Duque isn't the pitcher he once was.  Those years he pitched well in the playoffs, he also pitched well during the regular season.  You don't just show up in the post-season and turn into another pitcher (there are always exceptions, ie Derek Lowe last year) but for the most part it doesn't happen.

 

Ha, try bringing that up to certain posters in the game thread. I tried that about a month ago, and I was basically told that Duque is and forever will be better than Cy Young in the postseason.

[RockRaines]

Duque is done for the season. BMAC has proven he is a better pitcher, and El Duque hasnt done s*** in the post season since 2000. He is done, and gone after this year. Washed up torn shoulders do not a good pitcher make. BMAC is in there, and he will stay in the rotation until the end of the month.

[fathom]

Duque is done for the season.  BMAC has proven he is a better pitcher, and El Duque hasnt done s*** in the post season since 2000.  He is done, and gone after this year.  Washed up torn shoulders do not a good pitcher make.  BMAC is in there, and he will stay in the rotation until the end of the month.

 

Where's Duque going? No team will trade him for him and his contract.

[Guest JimH]

Where's Duque going?  No team will trade him for him and his contract.

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Yes, he has one more year left on his contract and the Sox will keep him around as an insurance policy, just like the Yankees did for a few years. I wouldn't count on him for more than 15 starts though. At this point he can probably give you 125 serviceable innings - that's it during the course of a year.

[aboz56]

Yes, he has one more year left on his contract and the Sox will keep him around as an insurance policy, just like the Yankees did for a few years.  I wouldn't count on him for more than 15 starts though.  At this point he can probably give you 125 serviceable innings - that's it during the course of a year.

Do you consider yesterday's two innings serviceable? Just wondering.

[LosMediasBlancas]

I'd be shocked if Oz gives up on Duque for B Mac.

[southsideirish71]

I'd be shocked if Oz gives up on Duque for B Mac.

 

So much for Win or Die Trying. Lets worry about a guy at the end of his career and his feelings over the good of the team. Ozzie do the right thing. Let the kid pitch.

[3E8]

Duque K/IP

 

2004 = 0.992

2005 = 0.674

 

Dropped by 32%.

[RockRaines]

Yes, he has one more year left on his contract and the Sox will keep him around as an insurance policy, just like the Yankees did for a few years.  I wouldn't count on him for more than 15 starts though.  At this point he can probably give you 125 serviceable innings - that's it during the course of a year.

there are teams who would like a serviceable 5th starter. If you dont think that a team would have interest in him in some sort of a way, then you are blinded by our rotation. Last year, when we had a 5th starter rotation, would we have wanted El Duque, you betcha.

[Guest JimH]

there are teams who would like a serviceable 5th starter.  If you dont think that a team would have interest in him in some sort of a way, then you are blinded by our rotation.  Last year, when we had a 5th starter rotation, would we have wanted El Duque, you betcha.

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Right, that's why the Sox will keep him ... depth.

[RockRaines]

Right, that's why the Sox will keep him ... depth.

so we should pay for a 6th starter?

[fathom]

so we should pay for a 6th starter?

 

Most people on here know how I feel. I think Contreras will get traded in the offseason.

[RockRaines]

Most people on here know how I feel.  I think Contreras will get traded in the offseason.

and I think that is a huge mistake. He has been the most solid starter in the second half. Why would you trade away your best pitcher lately?

[fathom]

and I think that is a huge mistake.  He has been the most solid starter in the second half.  Why would you trade away your best pitcher lately?

 

Because his value will be sky high, and we need to be able to acquire some offensive help without going into a weak FA market. I'm not saying I want to trade Jose, but I think it's the best way for the Sox to acquire a major offensive bat.

[Chisoxfn]

Yes, he has one more year left on his contract and the Sox will keep him around as an insurance policy, just like the Yankees did for a few years.  I wouldn't count on him for more than 15 starts though.  At this point he can probably give you 125 serviceable innings - that's it during the course of a year.

From what I know, Brandon McCarthy will be the Sox 5th starter next year. Right now the Sox are quite pleased with Contreras progress and the same can't be said for El Duque.

 

They were already frustrated with him earlier in the season and he will not be around next year. As far as him not having trade value, his contract is 4.5 million and he's pitched a decent amount of innings. Someone will take a chance on him and if he's packaged with Marte in the off-season (a distinct possibility) you could potentially grab a guy like Chad Tracy from Arizona (who wouldn't mind another starter and than a reliever).

[southsideirish71]

From what I know, Brandon McCarthy will be the Sox 5th starter next year.  Right now the Sox are quite pleased with Contreras progress and the same can't be said for El Duque. 

 

They were already frustrated with him earlier in the season and he will not be around next year.  As far as him not having trade value, his contract is 4.5 million and he's pitched a decent amount of innings.  Someone will take a chance on him and if he's packaged with Marte in the off-season (a distinct possibility) you could potentially grab a guy like Chad Tracy from Arizona (who wouldn't mind another starter and than a reliever).

 

They get Tracy and then sign Kong for DH and make a shot at Furcal and move over Uribe to 3rd and we have something.

[RockRaines]

They get Tracy and then sign Kong for DH and make a shot at Furcal and move over Uribe to 3rd and we have something.

Im all for making Kong the DH, and trying to get overbay. BUt that scenario is just as good IMO.

[Chisoxfn]

They get Tracy and then sign Kong for DH and make a shot at Furcal and move over Uribe to 3rd and we have something.

Plus Tracy could ocassionally go over and play 3rd against tough righties. Its not a major upgrade to the offense, but its definately an upgrade. Plus the Sox would have a little cash left over to add some help to the pen (getting another lefty).

[bjm676]

I simply have had enough of El Duque. McCarthy is the answer. Hernandez is turning the 5th man into the black hole again. The Angels were teeing off like it was batting practice yesterday. Maybe Hernandez is hurt again and isn't saying anything, I don't know. Maybe it's arthritis. Who knows. But I'm scared to death that IF we make the playoffs this 80 year-old will be on the mound. McCarthy shut down the Angels. Yeah he gave up a bomb to Vlad, but who hasn't. Enough of this respect s***. The lead is dwindling by the day. Do you want to win this thing, Ozzie? We've seen what McCarthy can do against Texas & Anaheim, even Boston. We've also seen what El Duque can do against Texas and Anaheim. There's quite a sharp contrast. Enough of this rambling.

[LosMediasBlancas]

I understand the frustration with Duque, but let's give some credit to Ana. That is a solid ball club who handed it to Mark B. and Garland as well.

[southsideirish71]

I understand the frustration with Duque, but let's give some credit to Ana. That is a solid ball club who handed it to Mark B. and Garland as well.

 

 

So did Texas and Boston. El Duque started out 7-1, whats his record since?

[RockRaines]

I understand the frustration with Duque, but let's give some credit to Ana. That is a solid ball club who handed it to Mark B. and Garland as well.

MB has been garbage lately as well. Look at his game on friday. 2 leads, lost them both. Something is wrong with Mark, and he needs to figure it out pronto.

[bjm676]

MB has been garbage lately as well.  Look at his game on friday.  2 leads, lost them both.  Something is wrong with Mark, and he needs to figure it out pronto.

 

It's those damn lights in centerfield.

[LosMediasBlancas]

So did Texas and Boston.  El Duque started out 7-1, whats his record since?

 

 

I feel what you're saying SSI, but like I said, Oz might not give up on him.

 

Just looked at our pitching stats for the last 30 days. Opposing teams are hitting above .290 against all 5 of our starters.

 

In the last 30 days, AJ is barely hitting above .210. Everett is at .218, Rowand .235.

Edited September 12, 2005 by LosMediasBlancas

[southsideirish71]

I feel what you're saying SSI, but like I said, Oz might not give up on him.

 

Just looked at our pitching stats for the last 30 days. Opposing teams are hitting above .290 against all 5 of our starters.

 

In the last 30 days, AJ and Rowand are barely hitting above .210.

 

 

I pretty much can guess he wont give up on him. I mean facing a light hitting team like Minny. Ozzie will feel that this is just the antidote that El Duque needs. And when El Duque faces a good hitting team that launches him for about 5 homers in 3 innings we can hear Ozzie chalk it up to he is a battler and a good vet. This is more and more sounding like the Timo argument.