witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) Maybe jason giambi wasn't either... you never know. But he's sorry for whatever he did :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) no he was he said he was. I do think he was on roids. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) no he was he said he was. I do think he was on roids. There's not proof he ever said this. The court records were sealed and what you heard about him admitting to taking roids was through a leak, which is no gaurantee that it happened. Then when he appologized, he never actually said he took roids. So if you believe Bonds didn't take roids then you have to believe Giambi as well. There's no proof for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) There's not proof he ever said this. The court records were sealed and what you heard about him admitting to taking roids was through a leak, which is no gaurantee that it happened. Then when he appologized, he never actually said he took roids. So if you believe Bonds didn't take roids then you have to believe Giambi as well. There's no proof for either. I believe Bonds took them from 2001-2003. Also Giambi's bro was with the sox and basiclly said that both he and Jason were on roids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:04 AM) I believe Bonds took them from 2001-2003. Also Giambi's bro was with the sox and basiclly said that both he and Jason were on roids. I gaurantee with 100% certainty that he was taking roids before '01. How are you just going to believe Jeremy Giambi, the guy is slime and would say anything for attention. Still no proof that Jason ever did roids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:07 AM) I gaurantee with 100% certainty that he was taking roids before '01. How are you just going to believe Jeremy Giambi, the guy is slime and would say anything for attention. Still no proof that Jason ever did roids. because he seemed very honest and sorry about it. He said it took about 2 or 3 years off of his career and that they need to teach kids the dangers of this stuff. He really did seem sincere and i think Kenny brought him in to teach that message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) because he seemed very honest and sorry about it. He said it took about 2 or 3 years off of his career and that they need to teach kids the dangers of this stuff. He really did seem sincere and i think Kenny brought him in to teach that message. KW brought in Jeremy Giambi as a favor for his agent, that is all. Good relationships betwee a GM and an agent are key especially when he represents players on the Sox. Besides Jeremy never came out and said that his brother did anything, he admitted that he had done somethings during the course of his career but never said that his brother did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) KW brought in Jeremy Giambi as a favor for his agent, that is all. Good relationships betwee a GM and an agent are key especially when he represents players on the Sox. Besides Jeremy never came out and said that his brother did anything, he admitted that he had done somethings during the course of his career but never said that his brother did. While he did not specifically say his brother used steroids, Jeremy cited a press conference a month ago during which Jason sat in front of a small group of New York media and apologized profusely. He never gave a reason for the apology. "If you don't know what he's apologizing for,'' Jeremy says, "you must've been in a coma for two years.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:22 AM) Perhaps apologizing for his s***ty performances with New York? He hit .251 in his second season with New York, and he hit .208 in his second, and was plagued by that worm or whatever it was that he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 05:43 AM) Perhaps apologizing for his s***ty performances with New York? He hit .251 in his second season with New York, and he hit .208 in his second, and was plagued by that worm or whatever it was that he had. He had 2 second seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 ahem.......he is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Stocking @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:35 AM) ahem.......he is amazing. Kinda like how rapidly reproducing bacteria and uncurable quick-evolving viruses are amazing? Then I agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 06:44 AM) Kinda like how rapidly reproducing bacteria and uncurable quick-evolving viruses are amazing? Then I agree... Personally, I think he's amazing in the way that embryonic stem cell research or cloning is amazing...a triumph of modern science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) he wasn't on roids in the 90's. hahahahahaha!!!! Yeah, he wasnt on roids when they were probably at their peak usage. Thats pretty funny guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just remember this...according to published accounts of Canseco's book, which I have not read, Raffy was using Winstrol specifically because it would help you out as a steroid but would not make your body explode like some of the other steroids were. And before he tested positive, you heard exactly the explanation he would have wanted...that he didn't have the body type of a juicer. A change in body type can just as easily be due to a change in steroid variety as it could be to starting them in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 01:01 PM) Just remember this...according to published accounts of Canseco's book, which I have not read, Raffy was using Winstrol specifically because it would help you out as a steroid but would not make your body explode like some of the other steroids were. And before he tested positive, you heard exactly the explanation he would have wanted...that he didn't have the body type of a juicer. A change in body type can just as easily be due to a change in steroid variety as it could be to starting them in the first place. I can tell you first and foremost, Winny, or Winstrol, is used for cutting cycles. It does not increase size and water retention like D-bol etc. It actually helps cut down fat, and when used with Deca as a base, eliminates water retention and fat content. There is no real inflation like when Giambi juiced and held all his water. Consequently, Bonds took HGH after the 90's which made his head and body grow in proportion. So if you want to say that he didnt take anything in the 90's, you are incorrect, he just switched his formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) And he is on roids. 1. Who cares? Anything to get your team a W is good in my book. 2. Good. I wish more players were on them. Edited September 13, 2005 by longshot7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) 1. Who cares? Anything to get your team is W is good in my book. 2. Good. I wish more players were on them. Good grief. Yeah, I'm sure the Orioles are so proud of their current roid user Raffy, and their washed-up former roid user in Sosa. It's going to be very interesting when these guys start dropping dead from heart attacks likely caused by years of steroid use. Check out what has happened to so many wrestlers once they reach their 40s after using roids for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) Good grief. Yeah, I'm sure the Orioles are so proud of their current roid user Raffy, and their washed-up former roid user in Sosa. It's going to be very interesting when these guys start dropping dead from heart attacks likely caused by years of steroid use. Check out what has happened to so many wrestlers once they reach their 40s after using roids for a long time. Again, who cares? If someone wants to put something into their own body, it's fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 02:56 PM) Again, who cares? If someone wants to put something into their own body, it's fine by me. And therefore solidifying your place in the sports world of having no honor and no class. Cheating to win violates the very essence of sport. He cheated, he doesnt deserve the accolades, nor the recognition of players who play the sport the pure way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) Again, who cares? If someone wants to put something into their own body, it's fine by me. Considering that there's been a noticeable drop-off in production by many of the baseball players that have been rumored to be on steroids in the past, it creates a situation where a lot of teams are extremely overpaying certain players based on steroid-enhanced numbers. Thus, you have teams that are struggling because they're not the same players that they used to be when they received their big money deal. Let me guess, you're the type of fan who doesn't care if your favorite college team pays their athletes, since everyone else is doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Bonds is the greatest baseball player of all time. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Bonds is the greatest baseball player of all time. Period. When Bonds can win 96 games as a pitcher, hit over 700 homers in bigger parks, and be a fat, womanizing, drunken slob, then I'll consider him the greatest baseball player of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Because you know Bonds sooo well right. You don't know what he did or when he did it. But you do? QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 05:07 AM) I gaurantee with 100% certainty that he was taking roids before '01. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Against all-white pitching staffs who weren't in the shape that today's players were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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