Kid Gleason Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I've been wondering this one for awhile now. How many games have we lost with Widger behind the plate? It has just been seeming like our pitching has never been as good when he was at the plate. Just speculation here, but does anybody have the numbers? I don't know how to get them...sorry...not that good at that type of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) I've been wondering this one for awhile now. How many games have we lost with Widger behind the plate? It has just been seeming like our pitching has never been as good when he was at the plate. Just speculation here, but does anybody have the numbers? I don't know how to get them...sorry...not that good at that type of stuff. I know Contreras really struggled in the games where Widge was behind the plate. But don't discount the role Widge has done as our backup, when you consider the alternative in Ben Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 I'm not trying to discredit the guy, I just get a bit of an uneasy feeling when he is behind the plate. But I put that more as a credit to AJ than as a full discredit to Widger. I think AJ just makes out guys that much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:29 AM) I'm not trying to discredit the guy, I just get a bit of an uneasy feeling when he is behind the plate. But I put that more as a credit to AJ than as a full discredit to Widger. I think AJ just makes out guys that much better. I agree with you that AJ just does a number on our pitching staff, and he's not too shabby with the bat either...which is why Widger is in fact so important. When you can give your catcher an off day every 3 or 4 games because your backup catcher is not a gigantic downgrade (Ben Davis), that keeps your starting catcher a lot healthier. Considering how much of a pounding a catcher's body can take during a year, just keeping AJ healthy has been a great contribution from the Widge. Plus, he beat Zito earlier this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggliopipe Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 not sure what the sox record is with the different catchers, but on the kc broadcast last night they said the sox have a 3.15 ERA with the widge behind the plate. the team ERA stands around 3.60, so that says something good about him with a small sample size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(maggliopipe @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:45 AM) not sure what the sox record is with the different catchers, but on the kc broadcast last night they said the sox have a 3.15 ERA with the widge behind the plate. the team ERA stands around 3.60, so that says something good about him with a small sample size. This is more than anything else likely an artifact of the fact that Widger has caught Buehrle probably more than anyone else on this staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 well his CERA is 3.33 this year, but he has allowed 22 of 24 to successfully steal a base. I'll look a little more for the team's record with him behind the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(AirScott @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 11:50 AM) well his CERA is 3.33 this year, but he has allowed 22 of 24 to successfully steal a base. I'll look a little more for the team's record with him behind the plate. Niether Aj or WIdger are very good at throwing runners out.. I don't remember Davis but if you watch our games they steal a lot of bases and Ajs and Widgers percentage is not very good. Olivo could throw out runners but had troubl;e with the bat and calling a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 From what I've found we're 21-13 when Widger starts behind the plate. Not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(forrestg @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) Niether Aj or WIdger are very good at throwing runners out.. I don't remember Davis but if you watch our games they steal a lot of bases and Ajs and Widgers percentage is not very good. Olivo could throw out runners but had troubl;e with the bat and calling a game. Most of the bases that are stolen when AJ and Chris are behind the plate are stolen on the pitcher and not on the catcher. My grandmother could steal off Contreras not to mention Hernandez and Garcia do s*** to keep the runner on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 10:56 AM) From what I've found we're 21-13 when Widger starts behind the plate. Not too shabby. Again, when you're catching Mark Buehrle a lot, and Jon Garland a lot, this is to be expected. It's not necessarily a function of the catcher. That's why these stats are hard to interpret - the sample size is so small, that another variable, like catching our 2 best pitchers more often than others, could be biasing the sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Again, when you're catching Mark Buehrle a lot, and Jon Garland a lot, this is to be expected. It's not necessarily a function of the catcher. That's why these stats are hard to interpret - the sample size is so small, that another variable, like catching our 2 best pitchers more often than others, could be biasing the sample. I was just answering the original question of the thread, which had not been answered yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt2719 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) From what I've found we're 21-13 when Widger starts behind the plate. Not too shabby. I think i mirror most people's feelings when I say that I have more confidence in AJ than Widge, but the numbers don't like. If we are 21-13 with him behind the plate, I'm not complaining. like=lie Edited September 15, 2005 by bighurt2719 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 Thanks for the replies. Those numbers are MUCH better than what it feels like they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Kid, your gut is right, there is a reason that one is the regular A game, and one is the career back up. In a team sport, individuals are sometimes given more or less credit and blame then they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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